louis...The Wire!

[Hero1]

wow man what a season its been so far..normally you gotta wait for a few episodes for it to really get going..but they rollin already...the last episode was interesting.. that whole cole storyline.. the guy who played cole, robert colesberry i think, was an executive producer of the show..and last year he died suddenly of a heart attack out of nowhere.. so that whole storyline was a tribute to him..it was quite heartfelt.. i must say i like all the new characters..man i wish bubs would get his shit together! it'll be really inetresting to see whats gonna happen trying to get all the drug dealers into a certain area..man lots of storylines going on! im lovin it..what do you think louis? im sure coz was enjoying omars return.. looks like d'angelos wife may help mcnulty get stringer? its gonna be very interesting...

[Louis85]

Yes, the subplots have great potential. I kinda want Stringer to go down. I want the girl to snitch to Barksdale, so that Barksdale can get out of jail and take him down.

The last episode made me feel bad for Omar. I hope he doesn't get capped this season. I hope Bodie gets the best of this new drug dealer (I forget his name, the one with the golf club). He's an arrogant little punk.

I didn't know about the tribute to Colesberry. That's cool.

The whole department seems to be screwed up. I especially can't stand Rawls. He enjoys humiliating people on his job. He reminds me of a boss I used to work for.

As a whole the series is cool, but I still like "6 Feet" and (my new favorite) "Entourage" series better.

Louis

[Hero1]

whats entourage like/about? 6 feet i find tiring .. haha yeah rawls is a prick! what did you think of the lieutenant hittin that red headed laywer :shock:

[Cozmo D]

All I can say about The Wire this season is :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

Entourage is about a young hearthrob actor and his crew of hangers on that he grew up with. It's pretty good. The Wire is still my favorite show on TV, though Deadwood really gave it a run for it's money. Can't wait for the new season.

[Louis85]

Yeah Entourage is pretty funny; those guys are wild. It will be interest to see what kind of storyline they come up with in the future. The storyline is either going to make or break that series, I think.

I could never get tired of Six Feet. I love shows where I can't predict what is going to happen next.

Deadwood I couldn't get into for some reason. I guess I'm not a western guy. I didn't really like Carnivale all that much either.

As for the lieutenant and the redhead, that seemed like a strange hookup to me. I don't like the idea that his wife left him, then needed him to impress her colleagues. That was some bull**it there!

Louis

[Chukwuka]

The Wire is the best show on the tube these days....
If I may say so, myself!!!

[Cozmo D]

I've never been a big fan of 6 Feet, but they had a fantastic season this year. I really like Carnivale, though it makes me feel like I need to shower afterwards. :bowlaugh:

[Hero1]

i find half the characters on 6 feet annoying as hell! i watch a couple of episodes and ive had enough! i got these tapes of carnivale but have never really gotten around to watching, i really gotta do that soon... that guy who got out of jail after 14 years on the wire..very interesting storyline :bigthumb: i wonder if he'll come back to connect with the other storylines... somehow i think everythin aint gonna work out for him

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by HieroHero@Oct 6 2004, 10:47 PM
i find half the characters on 6 feet annoying as hell! i watch a couple of episodes and ive had enough! i got these tapes of carnivale but have never really gotten around to watching, i really gotta do that soon... that guy who got out of jail after 14 years on the wire..very interesting storyline :bigthumb: i wonder if he'll come back to connect with the other storylines... somehow i think everythin aint gonna work out for him
Yeah, I'm feelin him too. I know one thing, if he snaps somebody's gonna get FUKKED UP! :bigthumb:

[Louis85]

Originally posted by Venus Flytrap@Oct 6 2004, 01:16 PM
I've never been a big fan of 6 Feet, but they had a fantastic season this year. I really like Carnivale, though it makes me feel like I need to shower afterwards. :bowlaugh:
:roll: So true Coz!!

[Chukwuka]

Originally posted by Venus Flytrap@Oct 6 2004, 01:16 PM
I've never been a big fan of 6 Feet, but they had a fantastic season this year. I really like Carnivale, though it makes me feel like I need to shower afterwards. :bowlaugh:
:bash: :kiss:

[Be]

i'm in total agreance with venus on this one.... especially about the shower...and yes i know aggreeance is not a word...and i do love 6 ft under....coz is just a homophobe wit that one...see he thought this season was kool because david got his ass kiked so many times :bowlaugh: :madrant: :sleep:

[Hero1]

be .. your alive.. how ya goin man? when omar turned out to be gay coz threw up..but when he discovered kimas character was gay he grabbed a vodka ;) david , man another annoying character! stop worrying about everything man :madrant:

[Hero1]

that last episode was a fuckin gem! bunks speech to omar.. stringer having to pay 25G's for his permit when he though he could be legit as a businessman!! haha! and the last scene when the liutenant walks into that room.. man its all starting to come together now.. i just saw an interview with dominic west..he has this real thick british accent! its real weird..damn he does a good job disguising it..

whats so great about the wire..is they set up all these characters and storylines..and then they start to come together and its like woah!!! :rock:

[Cozmo D]

HELL YES!!! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

You know the lieutenant is gonna figure out that it's McNulty behind the squad getting put on Stringer.

[Louis85]

I just want Barksdale to find out that Stringer had his cousin killed. Then things will heat up between those two. :rock:

[Hero1]

Originally posted by Louis85@Nov 3 2004, 11:55 PM
I just want Barksdale to find out that Stringer had his cousin killed. Then things will heat up between those two. :rock:
i think one of em is gonna kill the other by the end of the season..i just dont know who!!! :shock:

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by HieroHero+Nov 3 2004, 04:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HieroHero @ Nov 3 2004, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Louis85@Nov 3 2004, 11:55 PM
I just want Barksdale to find out that Stringer had his cousin killed. Then things will heat up between those two. :rock:
i think one of em is gonna kill the other by the end of the season..i just dont know who!!! :shock: [/b][/quote]
Same here, they're about 2 different things now. I think there's gonna be war between them, 'cause you know that D'Angelo's moms is gonna put 2 and 2 together. :bigthumb:

[Hero1]

yeah i hate d'angelos mom though..and that stupid bitch! d's shorty :cuss:

[Louis85]

Yeah Donnette, she's a pretty calculating woman alright. D'Angelo's mom is a piece of work too. I felt so bad for him when he was alive. I don' t think he really wanted that life in the first place. I imagine his mom coaxing him into it as a teenager. And that guilt trip she laid on him just before his trial. That was bullsh*t!

[Cozmo D]

Yup, she is 1 coniving evil bitch! And when she realizes that Stringer went out on his own to kill D'Angelo after she convinced him to hold the bag he's gonna catch every bit of her wrath!

[Hero1]

Originally posted by Venus Flytrap@Nov 5 2004, 01:34 AM
Yup, she is 1 coniving evil bitch! And when she realizes that Stringer went out on his own to kill D'Angelo after she convinced him to hold the bag he's gonna catch every bit of her wrath!
tru dat! :bigthumb:

[Cozmo D]

OHHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYYY GAWWWWWWWWD!!!!!!!!!!!!
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :bigshock: :bigshock: :bigshock: :bigshock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[Chukwuka]

It's hit'n the FAN, Flytrap!!!

[Louis85]

Now I'm trying to figure out if I'll have more respect for Barksdale if he goes after Stringer or doesn't go after Stringer. Hmmm. That's a tough one.

[Cozmo D]

Yeah, he's got Stringer, Marlowe AND Omar to deal with now! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Chukwuka]

Man,

Eeeerr week, I damn near jump out my chair watch'n that shit!! I can't wait to see what he gonna do or who gonna knock him off... Or what!!

Once again: The Realest Show On T.V.!!! Yes Yes Ya'll!!

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by Chukwuka@Nov 15 2004, 03:13 PM
Man,

Eeeerr week, I damn near jump out my chair watch'n that shit!! I can't wait to see what he gonna do or who gonna knock him off... Or what!!

Once again: The Realest Show On T.V.!!! Yes Yes Ya'll!!
YOU GOT THAT SHIT RIGHT!!! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Hero1]

you know i got the wire book from amazon..its called "the wire:truth be told" ive only skimmed some but its very interesting!! basically none of the people workin on the show are hollywood guys or anything... david simon was a reporter..ed burns he used to be a baltimore homicide cop.. and the new writers theyve got in "pelecanos, denis lehane(mystic river) richard price (clockers!) are all crime writers.. they basically say the wire is like a novel..and they treat it like that..all the characters are based off of real life characters..and the cases are based off real life as well.. so yeah it definitely is real! the real bubs actually died a few years ago from aids..but he was one of the biggest informants in maryland..and cops use to even pay him from their own money..

now last nights episode..damn!!!

personally im hoping stringer kills avon!!
and i wonder whats gonna happen with amsterdam..the higher ups gonna find out about it eventually....

[Hero1]

these graphs might help us figure out whats gonna happen next!

[Cozmo D]

Yo, that shit's the bomb Tim! :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Chukwuka]

Originally posted by HieroHero@Nov 15 2004, 10:12 PM
you know i got the wire book from amazon..its called "the wire:truth be told" ive only skimmed some but its very interesting!! basically none of the people workin on the show are hollywood guys or anything... david simon was a reporter..ed burns he used to be a baltimore homicide cop.. and the new writers theyve got in "pelecanos, denis lehane(mystic river) richard price (clockers!) are all crime writers.. they basically say the wire is like a novel..and they treat it like that..all the characters are based off of real life characters..and the cases are based off real life as well.. so yeah it definitely is real! the real bubs actually died a few years ago from aids..but he was one of the biggest informants in maryland..and cops use to even pay him from their own money..

now last nights episode..damn!!!

personally im hoping stringer kills avon!!
and i wonder whats gonna happen with amsterdam..the higher ups gonna find out about it eventually....
Nahhh Sun,

Avon gotta knock off Stringer... Stringer a bitch-ass...cock sucker....He cold, though!!!

[Etherspin]

forgive me, What is "the wire" ???

[Cozmo D]

A grimy, very real cops and crooks show on HBO.

[Hero1]

Originally posted by Chukwuka+Nov 17 2004, 04:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chukwuka @ Nov 17 2004, 04:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-HieroHero@Nov 15 2004, 10:12 PM
you know i got the wire book from amazon..its called "the wire:truth be told" ive only skimmed some but its very interesting!! basically none of the people workin on the show are hollywood guys or anything... david simon was a reporter..ed burns he used to be a baltimore homicide cop.. and the new writers theyve got in "pelecanos, denis lehane(mystic river) richard price (clockers!) are all crime writers.. they basically say the wire is like a novel..and they treat it like that..all the characters are based off of real life characters..and the cases are based off real life as well.. so yeah it definitely is real! the real bubs actually died a few years ago from aids..but he was one of the biggest informants in maryland..and cops use to even pay him from their own money..

now last nights episode..damn!!!

personally im hoping stringer kills avon!!
and i wonder whats gonna happen with amsterdam..the higher ups gonna find out about it eventually....
Nahhh Sun,

Avon gotta knock off Stringer... Stringer a bitch-ass...cock sucker....He cold, though!!! [/b][/quote]
avons been actin like a fool@!! comin back from jail.. wantin to start fights with other crews with no muscle..gettin shot by marlow and crew! its time for his death! :bigthumb:

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by HieroHero+Nov 16 2004, 08:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HieroHero @ Nov 16 2004, 08:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Chukwuka@Nov 17 2004, 04:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-HieroHero@Nov 15 2004, 10:12 PM
you know i got the wire book from amazon..its called "the wire:truth be told" ive only skimmed some but its very interesting!! basically none of the people workin on the show are hollywood guys or anything... david simon was a reporter..ed burns he used to be a baltimore homicide cop.. and the new writers theyve got in "pelecanos, denis lehane(mystic river) richard price (clockers!) are all crime writers.. they basically say the wire is like a novel..and they treat it like that..all the characters are based off of real life characters..and the cases are based off real life as well.. so yeah it definitely is real! the real bubs actually died a few years ago from aids..but he was one of the biggest informants in maryland..and cops use to even pay him from their own money..

now last nights episode..damn!!!

personally im hoping stringer kills avon!!
and i wonder whats gonna happen with amsterdam..the higher ups gonna find out about it eventually....
Nahhh Sun,

Avon gotta knock off Stringer... Stringer a bitch-ass...cock sucker....He cold, though!!!
avons been actin like a fool@!! comin back from jail.. wantin to start fights with other crews with no muscle..gettin shot by marlow and crew! its time for his death! :bigthumb: [/b][/quote]
Yeah, I can see that happening, though I kinda doubt if the gang would follow Stringer without him. Should be damm good whatever happens! :bigthumb:

[Etherspin]

and next question, Hiero, how do u see this program?? where in oz, what network.. whaaaaa?? :confused:

[Hero1]

Originally posted by ETHERSPIN@Nov 17 2004, 12:11 PM
and next question, Hiero, how do u see this program?? where in oz, what network.. whaaaaa?? :confused:
bit torrent..i just download em and then burn em to dvd! i used to get a friend in america to tape them for me though :bigthumb:

[Etherspin]

ahhh... :)

i've ordered broadband through aapt , so should be just over a week and ill be downloading .. and maybe trying this voice chat out!

[Chukwuka]

Originally posted by Venus Flytrap+Nov 16 2004, 08:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Venus Flytrap @ Nov 16 2004, 08:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by HieroHero@Nov 16 2004, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Chukwuka@Nov 17 2004, 04:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-HieroHero@Nov 15 2004, 10:12 PM
you know i got the wire book from amazon..its called "the wire:truth be told" ive only skimmed some but its very interesting!! basically none of the people workin on the show are hollywood guys or anything... david simon was a reporter..ed burns he used to be a baltimore homicide cop.. and the new writers theyve got in "pelecanos, denis lehane(mystic river) richard price (clockers!) are all crime writers.. they basically say the wire is like a novel..and they treat it like that..all the characters are based off of real life characters..and the cases are based off real life as well.. so yeah it definitely is real! the real bubs actually died a few years ago from aids..but he was one of the biggest informants in maryland..and cops use to even pay him from their own money..

now last nights episode..damn!!!

personally im hoping stringer kills avon!!
and i wonder whats gonna happen with amsterdam..the higher ups gonna find out about it eventually....
Nahhh Sun,

Avon gotta knock off Stringer... Stringer a bitch-ass...cock sucker....He cold, though!!!
avons been actin like a fool@!! comin back from jail.. wantin to start fights with other crews with no muscle..gettin shot by marlow and crew! its time for his death! :bigthumb:
Yeah, I can see that happening, though I kinda doubt if the gang would follow Stringer without him. Should be damm good whatever happens! :bigthumb: [/b][/quote]
Word, Sun!!

[Louis85]

Wait now...Rawls is GAY? And is Stringer gonna sell his boy out?

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by Louis85@Nov 29 2004, 11:48 AM
Wait now...Rawls is GAY? And is Stringer gonna sell his boy out?
YUP, to BOTH questions!!! :rock: :rock: :rock:

And now that Brother Mouson is back, I wonder who he's REALLY after? :shock:

[Hero1]

that was hilarious that rawls was gay :kekeke: the cutty & bunny storyline/characters have been so good..i told you stringer would get barksdale..but the question is..will omar get stringer 1st..or will brother mouzon get omar before that!!! the final episodes are gonna be amazing!! :bigthumb:

[Hero1]

oh and you know the church dude who's helping cutty/dennis.. that melvin williams aka little melvin Melvin Williams had a dude working for him named "Chin" who took college business courses, developed the hop over the number keys phone system (see season 1) and ran a print shop as a front. Williams also had people named Barksdale and Bell working from him in Baltimore (circa late 70's to the mid 80's) the whole show was sort of based on that case..theres an interview with him in the wire book

[Cozmo D]

NO SHIT! :shock:

[Louis85]

Wow, that's deep Tim! :shock:

[Hero1]

? to you coz and louis.. does brother mouzone know stringer bell got omar to try and kill him?

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by HieroHero@Dec 8 2004, 04:24 AM
? to you coz and louis.. does brother mouzone know stringer bell got omar to try and kill him?
I think he suspects it. He knows that Omar was fed some bullshit by somebody.

[Louis85]

I certainly hope so. It would be cool if Mouzone confronts Omar at gunpoint and he tells him he is going after Stringer instead. I'd like to see both Barksdale and Stringer get capped. I want Omar to live.

Louis

[Chukwuka]

I want Stringer to get it... He's a bitch ass Niqqa!!
I like barksdale!! For some reason, he's a real...niqqa!!

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by Louis85@Dec 8 2004, 11:44 AM
I certainly hope so. It would be cool if Mouzone confronts Omar at gunpoint and he tells him he is going after Stringer instead. I'd like to see both Barksdale and Stringer get capped. I want Omar to live.

Louis
WORD!

[Hero1]

Originally posted by Chukwuka@Dec 9 2004, 07:12 AM
I want Stringer to get it... He's a bitch ass Niqqa!!
I like barksdale!! For some reason, he's a real...niqqa!!
barksdale the bitch!! why does the man who uses his brain is a bitch and the one who comes back from jail starts making bodies fall and actin a fool isnt!! :slap: if stringer goes down i want d's mom to have somethin 2 do with it..

[Chukwuka]

Originally posted by HieroHero+Dec 8 2004, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HieroHero @ Dec 8 2004, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Chukwuka@Dec 9 2004, 07:12 AM
I want Stringer to get it... He's a bitch ass Niqqa!!
I like barksdale!! For some reason, he's a real...niqqa!!
barksdale the bitch!! why does the man who uses his brain is a bitch and the one who comes back from jail starts making bodies fall and actin a fool isnt!! :slap: if stringer goes down i want d's mom to have somethin 2 do with it.. [/b][/quote]
Maybe I'm coming from a street perspective... Stringer is real but I dig him don't get me wrong.. but regardless he's a street brotha... He didn't keep it real with the one who made him (Avon)... Cuz without AVON stringer wouldn't be where he is... The only reason why Stringer is there is cuz AVON drops bodies whether you wanna admit it or not....

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by Chukwuka+Dec 9 2004, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chukwuka @ Dec 9 2004, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by HieroHero@Dec 8 2004, 05:15 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Chukwuka@Dec 9 2004, 07:12 AM
I want Stringer to get it... He's a bitch ass Niqqa!!
I like barksdale!! For some reason, he's a real...niqqa!!
barksdale the bitch!! why does the man who uses his brain is a bitch and the one who comes back from jail starts making bodies fall and actin a fool isnt!! :slap: if stringer goes down i want d's mom to have somethin 2 do with it..
Maybe I'm coming from a street perspective... Stringer is real but I dig him don't get me wrong.. but regardless he's a street brotha... He didn't keep it real with the one who made him (Avon)... Cuz without AVON stringer wouldn't be where he is... The only reason why Stringer is there is cuz AVON drops bodies whether you wanna admit it or not.... [/b][/quote]
I don't know, could be the other way around. Maybe without Stringer Avon would only be some 2 bit thug. ;)

[Louis85]

I think they both needed each other to be successful way back when--a brains and brawns thing. But the scariest thing for Avon is the game has really changed. His method of just bullying his way into the drug game is obsolete. They have turned into more of a cartel than a free market, due to the reduce channels of the available product. If he could just use his brain and listen to Stringer, they could really make some money, drug money and scrubbed "legit" money. But he is not willing to listen to him and that will be his downfall. Plus he let his personal feelings (his disdain for Monroe) get in the way of smart business. Never good. That's what makes the show real though. Every good criminal eventually gets tripped up by something.

Louis

[Chukwuka]

I agree... Good point COZ!! I'm still stick'n to my theory!! Did String invest some money or how did he even become a partner... I just don't like the way String killed ole D... that was my guy... He could've been real about it!!! but that's the way the game goes...

MAN, I love that show!!!

Got gossip'n like some females and shit watch'n soaps...

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by Chukwuka@Dec 10 2004, 10:34 AM
I agree... Good point COZ!! I'm still stick'n to my theory!! Did String invest some money or how did he even become a partner... I just don't like the way String killed ole D... that was my guy... He could've been real about it!!! but that's the way the game goes...

MAN, I love that show!!!

Got gossip'n like some females and shit watch'n soaps...
I think String and Avon probably grew up as best friends. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing ALL of them get it, especially at the hands of Omar. :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Hero1]

as long as omar survives!! :bigthumb:

[Louis85]

Roger that.

[Hero1]

interestin post by david simon on the hbo boards...


> Dear Mr Simon
>
> Your show is the best ever.
> Why do you feel that the show has not become a huge
> hit? Everyone who watches it loves it, the critics
> have given great reviews (which are completely
> deserved), the acting is amazing, the writing is
> amazing, I don't understand why the ratings and
> popularity don't skyrocket. Do you feel HBO
> advertises enough? Before I started watching the
> show I don't think I ever saw a commercial for it,
> only posters and magazine ads. I want everyone to
> watch your show because it is so amazing and there
> are so many people who don't know what their missing.

Reasons why the Wire is not a "hit."

1) Cast predominantly black. Predominantly white nation stereotypes it as "black show" and feels comfortable ignoring same.
2) Requires thought and commitment to watch and absorb complex plotlines and subtleties. Television in America is by an large a vegetative medium.
3) Filmed in Baltimore. Baltimore? What the fuck?
4) Although supported by HBO and given creative license, first and second seasons had most episodes premiering at ten o'clock following Arliss or Sex in City -- shows that had very different appeal and audiences, I think. Third season premiers at nine, but alas, this fall NFL football and Desperate Housewives have the cultural zeitgeist surrounded.
5) Not enough happy endings.
6) I can't understand what the Negros are saying.
7) What the hell is a D.N.R.?
8) Not an Emmy nom to be found. Did I mention it was written and filmed and produced by people who don't live in New York or Los Angeles.

Either all of the above or maybe we just aren't worth watching. That could be it as well. I can't blame HBO for anything, save, possibly, failing to get the DVDs out in advance of the third season and failing to get both seasons out there. That was, I think, an unfortunate mistake for a show as ornate as this one and I have said so to the folks involved. But as for scheduling, not everything can follow the Sopranos. They need to schedule year round, and frankly, something had to go up against the ESPN Sunday night game and Housewives. I will say, though, I don't think any HBO show short of the Sopranos would have suffered in that timeslot. But the bottom line: HBO didn't fight us to make our show more commercial, less smart or more lamely and weakly "accessible." They didn't ask us to whiten the show, or make it happier, or less angry or whatever. They have been brave. Moreso than any other network in the medium's long, lugubrious history. Cut them slack.

[Hero1]

and this,,

should add that Wee Bey is doing life, no parole. Hard fact to overcome and a little incredible to try, don't you think. Here's the thing and I say it all the time and no one seems to believe it but the writers: To make a world credible and to make a story meaningful, the story must be pre-eminent, not the character. By that I mean, yes, Hassan is a wonderful actor and so is Idris, and so is Wood, and so is Chris Bauer and James Ransone and Larry Gilliard and Wallace, oh geez, don't even get me started on Wallace...and all of it doesn't mean anything to us whatsoever. We aren't interested in preserving characters or featuring them more because the audience wants it. Forgive me, but the audience is like a small child. If given what they wanted every day, it would be ice cream and cake and seven hours of daytime television. Because the audience of a television show, by and large, feels an allegiance to what came before on a serial drama, to the scenes and moments and characters that are familiar or that pleased them in the past. On Homicide, everyone seemed to want every episode to end with Detective Pembleton going into the interrogation room and winning a case by an act of intellectual prowess. But having told that story, neither Andre Braugher nor the writers wanted to beat it to death. A story told is a story over and so if you don't want to watch The Wire because anything familiar and pleasing is no longer available to you as a viewer in the amounts you desire, then okay, I understand. But you were never really watching The Wire then, in my opinion. That's not to convince you that you shouldn't like what you, or want what you want, or make your own choices as to what stories you wish to enjoy on television or in any other medium. But all of the angst over please don't kill Avon, please don't kill Stringer, please don't kill Omar, please don't kill Marlo, please don't let Kima die or let McNulty get even with Rawls or whatever -- what can I say? You can't petition this show on behalf of character. We don't care about character except to the extent that good characters serve a story well. Story is all.

[Cozmo D]

Damm...I like that mufuh! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

He's right too. A bunch of us were shocked when he didn't have Avon's whole crew bagged at the end of season 1, and that Stringer was still on the streets. Then you realized that the story was bigger than the characters, and since life ain't cut and dried the story aint either. So now, instead of looking forward to Omar getting Avon or McNutty getting Stringer every week, I look forward to seein whatever's goin to happen...can't predict shit and it's better that way! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Cozmo D]

OK...don't nobody say NUTHIN until Tim aknowledges that he's seen this week's episode!!!!!!!

OK TIM, GET TO DOWNLOADIN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Louis85]

[My 2 pacos] I think when I watch a series such as this, I route for things to happen. Some characters, good or bad, I like, and some characters good or bad I don't like. If they whole show goes the way I route complete, then I lose respect for it because it's predictable. If the show goes no way I expect, then I lose respect because it's unrealistic. So a good series will hit that happy medium for me, e.g. some things will happen that I like and expect, some that don't like or don't respect. That's just the way I like it. [/My 2 pacos]

Louis

[Cozmo D]

And I think we can safely say that you like this show now Louis...even tho you may not have been sure from the beginning? if you don't like it after the latest episode I doubt you ever will. :)

[Cozmo D]

I'm pinning this shit cause I don't want anybody spoiling it fot Heiro. In 3 fukkin seasons this is the best episode ever! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Louis85]

I have always liked it. But you have to admit there have been a few slooow shows. But yes, this was one of the best, if not THE best episode of the Wire I have ever seen. (Catch up Timmy!!!)

Louis

(p.s. Forgive all the typos and incoherent nature of my last post. Watching that Jets game last night fried my brain. :tinker: )

[Cozmo D]

Yeah, my brain was fried too (still is), I won't blame the game tho...heheheheheh.....

[Cozmo D]

And yeah, you're right, there have been some really sloooow episodes. But there is no other show that I look forward to every week or between seasons anywhere near as much as The Wire! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Louis85]

After "Six Feet", and since the fact that "Oz" and "Sluts in the City" are off the air, "The Wire" would fall in line next, I guess. I've enjoyed it more each year. I would like to know what happen to Ziggy's cousin though. I assume he's in jail still.

[Hero1]

thanks coz!!! yeah i seen it damn!!!!!!!!! omar and mouzone babyc :rock: :rock: :rock: stringer should never have crossed them 2..so i guess he had to pay in the end...

[Cozmo D]

Just finished watching it for the 3rd time! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Louis85]

Originally posted by HieroHero@Dec 13 2004, 05:16 PM
thanks coz!!! yeah i seen it damn!!!!!!!!! omar and mouzone babyc :rock: :rock: :rock: stringer should never have crossed them 2..so i guess he had to pay in the end...
Ultimately, the one who really sold him out though was Avon. That was supposed to be his boy right. Sucks for the police department. They just got the wire up and running and now dude is dead. Great writing!

[Cozmo D]

Yup, the cops are gonna be PISSED!!! Now we have to see what Avon's next move will be. Without Stringer where's he gonna get his product? He's still got Marlo to contend with and he was never really down with the cartel. And even tho he gave up Stringer to Mouson, he was at war with Omar and peeps are gonna expect him to hit back at him.

Shit, this last episode probably should really be 3 hours long. It's like the culminating episode for the first 3 seasons! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Hero1]

that was a great end to the wire.... bunny colvin man :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

good police :bowdown: :sad:

[Cozmo D]

Hell yes. :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

It'll be interesting to see just how long McNulty will feel satisfied walking a beat.

It'll also be interesting to see what happens now that Marlo is running things.

It'll be interesting...can't wait for next season!

[Hero1]

Originally posted by Cozymandias@Dec 21 2004, 11:59 AM
Hell yes. :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

It'll be interesting to see just how long McNulty will feel satisfied walking a beat.

i dont think that will go too well..i mean mcnulty hated working on the water when he got assigned back there..he lives for big cases and being involved..i dont see how he could stand walking a beat at all..

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by HieroHero+Dec 21 2004, 12:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HieroHero @ Dec 21 2004, 12:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cozymandias@Dec 21 2004, 11:59 AM
Hell yes. :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

It'll be interesting to see just how long McNulty will feel satisfied walking a beat.

i dont think that will go too well..i mean mcnulty hated working on the water when he got assigned back there..he lives for big cases and being involved..i dont see how he could stand walking a beat at all.. [/b][/quote]
Yup, some big case will come along to lure his ass back in. :bigthumb:

[Louis85]

I'm just glad that Avon got what he richly deserved. Plus he saw the warrant with Stringer's name on it! Sweeeeet! I think the guilt of letting his best friend get capped is really starting to eat at him. That plus Marlo showing up at his trial is better than him getting capped himself. Great writing on this show! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

[Be]

That season finale was WEAK......muhh phuckin DIET WATER....as far as i'm concerned...it ended last week

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by Be@Dec 21 2004, 10:20 AM
That season finale was WEAK......muhh phuckin DIET WATER....as far as i'm concerned...it ended last week
The finales are always like that. They seem to be more concerned with recap and letting you know what is going to go on during the off-season. It's always the week before with the big climax.

[Cozmo D]

Originally posted by Louis85@Dec 21 2004, 09:16 AM
I'm just glad that Avon got what he richly deserved. Plus he saw the warrant with Stringer's name on it! Sweeeeet! I think the guilt of letting his best friend get capped is really starting to eat at him. That plus Marlo showing up at his trial is better than him getting capped himself. Great writing on this show! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
Hell yes! That and to see that his sister wouldn't even look at him at the trial and then left! I wonder if she finally figured the whole shit out about D'Angelo. :bigthumb:

[Hero1]

Originally posted by Be@Dec 22 2004, 01:20 AM
That season finale was WEAK......muhh phuckin DIET WATER....as far as i'm concerned...it ended last week
the wires like a novel right.. as coz said the endings are always like that.. the real ending was episode 11.. the final episode is always wrapping things up and setting shit up for the next season..its like a prologue

[Louis85]

Originally posted by Be@Dec 21 2004, 10:20 AM
That season finale was WEAK......muhh phuckin DIET WATER....as far as i'm concerned...it ended last week
Yeah, they were more concerned with tying up loose ends for the next season. I agree, the week before was much better. Stringer getting capped is right up there with Said killing Adabisi on Oz. Great drama!

:rock:

Louis

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From another site...

'The Wire' fears
HBO may snip it ....


By MARISA GUTHRIE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER


Bell (Idris Elba, l.) parries Det. McNulty's (Dominic West) questions.

At the climax of its third season, HBO's gritty drama "The Wire" is hanging by one.
"We haven't been renewed," said creator David Simon, "We have not been killed either."

A decision on the fate of Simon's critically praised series about the dangerous corners of Baltimore's drug trade isn't expected until mid-January.

"I know [HBO] isn't particularly pleased with our numbers," Simon said. "Why would they be? But, at the same time, I'm not sure what on HBO besides maybe 'The Sopranos' could have gone up against the buzz saw that is 'Desperate Housewives' and Sunday night football."

"The Wire," which has its season (or series) finale Sunday night at 9, boldly killed off a major character last week when Stringer Bell (Idris Elba), a dealer trying to go legit as a real-estate developer, was gunned down.

"I checked the [message] boards this morning and every body's upset about Stringer," said Simon. "All I can tell you is the only way the writers can figure out how to make the stories matter is to not make characters matter more than the stories."

On Sunday, there is more closure and another character is put out to pasture, though not in a predictable way.

"If we have to end here, I'll be sad," said Simon. "There is a lot more I want to say. It took a lot to create this fictional universe of Baltimore and there's a lot more to say."

But "The Wire" has been criticized for its labyrinthine plot lines; its liberal use of urban vernacular has also stymied some viewers. But HBO has made a habit of nurturing esoteric series.

"This show would have been canceled after four episodes anywhere else," said Simon. "If [HBO] says, 'Nice try, but we're going to go with something else,' then they say it. Does that mean I have even the slightest regret that I didn't make the show simpler or dumbed it down or made the cast more white? Absolutely not."

If "The Wire" makes it to fourth season, said Simon, he plans to explore the failures of the public education system in Baltimore.

"Like a lot of cities," he said, "we have a remarkably dysfunctional school system, one that puts the lie to the idea that if you want to walk away from the street, you can just put your head down and do what's right. You start to get the impression that the children of this city are being raised by the drug corners, that this is a school system that fits with a society where the drug trade is the best deal of its generation."

But he may not get the chance. The overwhelming success of "The Sopranos" has changed the climate at HBO.

"Because of 'The Sopranos' breakout hit status," said Simon, "expectations have changed." The days when a dark prison drama like "Oz" could survive several seasons may be coming to a close, according to Simon.

"There was no angst about ['Oz'] ratings," said Simon. "It was what it was. There was a commitment to storytelling, even if it was idiosyncratic storytelling. Now I'm going up against 'Desperate Housewives.'

"What could have gone up against 'Desperate Housewives'? 'Desperate Housewives' is pretty. I'm not about pretty."

Call HBO @ 212-512-1208

[Hero1]

god i hope they renew it.. the school system story would be very interesting...

[Cozmo D]

I don't know what I would do without my Wire. :sad:

[Hero1]

cutty interview!

http://www.allhiphop.com/alternatives

Chad L. Coleman: Through The Wire
By Dove ~Sheepish Lordess Of Chaos~

Virginia native-turned-New Yorker Chad L. Coleman has made an impressive showing on season three of The Wire as Dennis “Cutty” Wise, a street smart yet under-educated man with a jaded past and an amazing hope for the future. After studying acting at both Virginia Commonwealth University and the Herbert Bergoff studio in New York, Chad took on more intensive training with Howard University professor Vera Katz. He has acted in off-Broadway plays and regional theater, performing alongside the likes of vets like Willem Dafoe and Patrick Stewart, and has performed in several commercials and television shows including Law & Order.

Chad’s role as Cutty gave the popular HBO series a different, and almost moral, direction without being too preachy. It is interesting to note that while Cutty speaks slowly and often uses less than desirable grammar, Chad speaks smoothly and swiftly with the air of a distinguished gentleman. Where Cutty deliberates internally about basic day to day activities, Chad asserts himself with confident expression. The man and his character seem to be worlds apart in demeanor and life experiences, but it is evidently clear that Chad understands Cutty on a level that transcends mere acting.

AllHipHop.com Alternatives got caught up in an intense conversation with Chad L. Coleman about the development of the storylines and character interaction on The Wire, and what ‘Cutty’ represents beyond the television show.

AllHipHop.com Alternatives: We have interviewed JD Williams and Hassan Johnson both about The Wire, and talked quite in-depth about them going into Baltimore. You guys have talked to the people of Baltimore one on one a lot about their street life and picking up the dialect and things like that. Hassan mentioned that he was a little disappointed sometimes that there really wasn’t a consistency with the actors getting that dialect down. It almost seems like your character, Cutty, has his own dialect. He’s maybe not as educated as some of the other guys. How did you work in developing that role from a standpoint of the diction that you use?

Chad: Basically for me, it as the producers filled me in on information about the character, and I’m dealing with a producer like George Pelecanos who created my role. He had already written a book about a guy who was incarcerated and came out and was trying to get his life together. The blueprint was there, it just came - it wasn’t something I was trying to go for. It was creative inspiration, along with information from the producers - but if you break it down, if you think that this was a kid that came up, he didn’t get a high school diploma, he spent most of his life on the street. Even on the show when they would ask about getting a GED, that’s not something he wanted to pursue. His passion for change was definitely there but it wasn’t on kind of an intellectual route, if you will.

The way the dialogue is written, he’s not a man of that many words - you know there’s a lot going on with him but he doesn’t like to speak a lot. I would say it’s just a hybrid of a lot of different sounds that make up Cutty, because you can’t necessarily say who he may have encountered while being incarcerated, it’s not necessarily that he just hung out with everybody from one particular region.

AHHA: Exactly, and I think in a certain way that it was good that they didn’t make him some kind of dude that… I mean he definitely came out with a vision of wanting to do something different with his life and make something out of himself, but at the same time they didn’t have him come out being some super enlightened ‘I’ve been reading all the law books’ guy.

Chad: At the same time too, there are certainly those who do and who have, that’s for sure. The thing that’s interesting about the character, what makes it compelling is he’s unsure, he doesn’t know what to do. It makes him all the more human, he’s growing - you’ve watched him grow into a certain level of assuredness. That’s what’s really cool about it, because you get to follow someone that there’s no idealism involved in it at all.

AHHA: I loved it that they showed that kind of back and forth, ‘Do I wanna get back in it? Do I not wanna get back in it? The community’s all f*cked up but what can I do? I can’t even get a job.’ Simple everyday things that everyone takes for granted that this guy has to struggle with, and I think they did a really good job of showing somebody who’s got a good heart and who wants to change, but everything points back to ‘What else do I do?’

Chad: That’s absolutely right, what are your options and having it all play out in sort of a real time circumstance as opposed to some kind of quick fix? That’s what I encounter in the streets of New York everyday. Brothers that just want to come up and just say ‘Thanks man, that’s me I’m dealing with that right now, stay strong, keep doing it’. That’s the reality, just like the guy on the shows that say, ‘Yeah it’s hot, it’s hot out here everyday, you know this is as good as it gets right now, and if you don’t understand and accept that first, you’re not gonna be able to move any further’. That’s powerful because you’re used to fast money you’re used to certain lifestyle, and that can only be achieved criminally, and if you really need to change…

That’s the thing about Cutty, I just think that’s the amazingly beautiful thing about him, in the midst of all of that he still makes his decision. But at the same time you can tie it in as, well, like he was into boxing, he’s a Golden Globe boxer, it’s not like someone like Mike Tyson. Mike has chosen from having been around Don King and around probably some Muslims to try to achieve a certain kind of communication skill. Cutty’s not that way about it, even though I think his level of communication has certainly expanded and is improving as he tries to deal with these young kids, you see that happening, you see him starting to be able to really kind of talk to these kids. You really don’t know where his growth curve is, you never know where Cutty may end up.

AHHA: Exactly, I think that’s the excitement of it though for the fans, everyone really likes that character. I’d say next to Omar he’s probably the favorite. Omar… that character is probably like one of the most complex and unique characters that I’ve ever seen on TV. Cutty’s right up there though - you really never do know where he’s gonna show up next week.

Chad: Right, you don’t know what he’s gonna do and that’s beautiful because that really hits home with a lot of people. The things that we take for granted, a certain level of intellect, a certain amount of moxy and how to deal in life, and all these things that we take for granted are really things that you really have to work on, people have to be helping you implement that at a very early age for it to come to some degree of second naturedness. It’s not even totally that, we all struggle too, we all struggle but the struggle maybe doesn’t appear as dire. But we all do, we all struggle with elements of character and right and wrong and purpose, and what we’re going to do with our lives and all that stuff.

AHHA: There are obviously a lot of parallels in what happens on the show to real life situations. For instance Avon funded the boxing ring for Cutty, obviously there’s a situation there where Cutty kind of basically said when he left the operation, ‘You’re my guy and everything, but I don’t wanna be involved in this anymore’. Avon saw what he was trying to do and was like, ‘Here you do something good with this money’. Yet the money is drug money. Is there any moral dilemma on the part of you as an actor to say ‘Are we saying that this is okay by showing this kind of thing on TV?’

Chad: That’s a very interesting question. I think that is the thing - to show a certain level of irony. It’s just not black and white, so to present that to the audience - it’s for them to have to wrestle with that. I don’t absolutely have the answer to it. The producers of the show are obviously saying something right here. Cutty’s just aware as anybody else that there are very little options and help out there for the state that these people are living in, so you can’t make the same moral and character choices that someone else does. That’s something I’ve always found extremely compelling, because the people who are assessing the situation grew up a whole different way. They’re living by a whole different set of rules.

Now Cutty, even in trying to change, understands that he’s still playing in a different playing field. So to say, ‘I’ll remove myself from doing drugs and I’ll try to do something positive with my life’ doesn’t mean that I just flip the whole thing over into a whole different level of morality. How he rationalizes it is, ‘I need help and I don’t have any other sources’, or he says to himself, ‘Hey I can go out here and get two dollars, three dollars here, but at what point is that gonna have an impact on these kids? I’m trying to deal with these kids here and now.’ To have that paradox to me is okay.

AHHA: It’s almost like between Avon and Cutty, there’s this really deep level of respect that you don’t see between a lot of the other characters.

Chad: Exactly, and it speaks to…I think on a lot of levels Avon feels trapped. Every time when said ‘I can’t be in the game anymore’ - If you notice what said, his response to that was: ‘He a man today’. I was trying to explain to people that’s very telling about something internally in him. He feels a certain level of probable doom, a lack of hope. ‘This is the way it is, I’ve got to live this out’ - so to see someone else making an attempt to do something other than that, he wanted to be supportive to that.

AHHA: Well it takes big balls to step out of that game, because you’re giving up a lot of things. Not only are you giving up your street cred and all that and your money and things like that, but you’re also giving up your protection in a lot of ways.

Chad: Right, and he could have flipped it and killed anyway.

AHHA: There’s a certain code of honor.

Chad: In him as a human being, so when it resonates in that someone’s trying to deal with their own code, he deals with it. Whereas Stringer, that’s why these things really happened to Stringer, he was totally out for self. He lacked any kind of allegiance to anybody but himself.

AHHA: Stringer had a lot of things in his past and I think that he didn’t really have the same respect for the same codes of ethics between the different crews. Like when they were saying no more killings on Sundays and things like that.

Chad: But where does that come from? Something happened to him a long time ago where he’s detached from people period on a certain level, he’s just detached. So whatever level of abandonment or something that he experienced early in his life, he said it’s all about self and self-preservation, and, ‘It’s about playing anybody around me to get what I want’. It’s all about opportunity to me with him, so that’s why I thought it would have been interesting. I wish he was there when said ‘I can’t do it anymore’. I thought that would have been really really interesting to see his reaction to that. I think he would have been smart enough to plan, it would have been interesting to see him play into Barksdale’s mentality, to play as if he saw it the same way. Like let Slim Charles say what he said and then play into it. He’s constantly trying to read Barksdale.

AHHA: Yeah he is, I think he was also always trying to put stuff in Barksdale’s head too and I think he would have been the dude that would’ve said, ‘Aw man, you just gonna let him walk out like that? No loyalty, what’s up?’ I think Stringer would’ve questioned that.

Chad: Yeah, but that’s what I was saying, the subversive nature of him though is to read those around him, and at that point say what Barksdale wants to hear and then you see it come down the road where he really stands, like a phony. You can’t really live like that. Not to stray off…

AHHA: It’s all good. Going into the next season, Avon’s going in, but he’s the only boss now because there’s no more Stringer. The streets gotta be …

Chad: Well, I mean not really though if you think about who’s already holding it down.

AHHA: Who’s at the helm though without those two there? Prop Joe, it gives him more of a chance to step in.

Chad: Yeah but they already have a rival, there’s already that’s a young gun that’s there.

AHHA: Exactly and that guy’s crazy.

Chad: I don’t know that he’s crazy, I think the young man is aggressive, he’s smart, he’s aggressive, he’s hungry and he wants to wear the crown.

AHHA: Mmhm, well he seems to have a really cold…it’s almost like he doesn’t even see people as people at all. He’s got this super criminal mentality.

Chad: Right, he’s no different , he’s like Stringer without a suit on, that’s something they always talk about, that it’s a young man’s game. If you go to Baltimore right now the dudes that are slinging and running stuff are really young. That’s what’s going on.

AHHA: That makes sense. Let’s get off The Wire for a little bit. Any other acting jobs that you have on deck?

Chad: Well, I was able to do a little work in Carlito’s Way: The Beginning. It’s going back before Pacino’s character went to prison, the prequel.

AHHA: I’m gonna speak on all of the comments that women make about you. How does it feel to be pretty much considered a sex symbol at this point? The women really love you.

Chad: Well I mean that’s great - that feels great. I don’t see myself as that, when I hear people speak that way. My wife tells me that all the time, so to have that level of acknowledgement that’s cool. I think that’s what women identify in me. It’s like a ‘real man’, it’s not a ‘pretty boy’ man, it’s just a handsome rock man.

AHHA: It’s almost like they made Cutty and a couple of other characters almost asexual, like you guys are never gonna have a girlfriend on that show.

Chad: Well I don’t know, I’m not gonna say that because you know, did try to get ex-girl back.

AHHA: We want the characters on HBO The Wire to have sex sometimes because it looks like Stringer was pretty much the only one getting any.

Chad: Well, no, Lieutenant Daniels.

AHHA: Oh yeah, but they’re all doing each other in the police precinct.

Chad: Which is what happens, you work in a certain radius, you end up mating and having sex with the people you work with. That’s the thing about them, they hit the bull’s eye on all of it, because none of it is random. It’s all been highly researched, they’ve done books on it. One is 20 years a reporter in Baltimore, one is 20 plus years as a detective. That’s Ed Burns and David Simon - you put those two together, and then the guys that they have as producers and writers all write crime novels and things of that nature. They’re all like in there.

AHHA: Yeah, It’s definitely one of the most amazing shows as far as writing. Between that and The Sopranos, I think just the character development for me are the best shows on TV.

Chad: Yeah which is why it baffles me a little bit that we don’t know that there’s gonna be a fourth season.

AHHA: Are you serious?

Chad: There hasn’t been any official announcement at all.

AHHA: There’s gonna have to be.

Chad: I don’t know how they compute these things because there’s a need.

AHHA: I think it’s gonna come down to exactly what happened with The Sopranos, when they were trying to say, ‘This is going to be the last season’ the fans just went berserk. Like ‘How can you just leave it like this?’ So they had to go back and make new episodes, and I think that’s what’ll happen with The Wire, it’s got a strong following.

Chad: That’s what I said on , I said, ‘Look, you guys gotta let the people know that this is what you want, make yourself heard that you want this and then see where they go from there’. I don’t know the way they compute the numbers, right now Desperate Housewives is cleaning up on Sunday nights. But people also know they have the option to watch The Wire later in the week.

AHHA: Yep, you’re In Demand.

Chad: So, it’s hard - I don’t know why they would look at the numbers just from the standpoint of that night.

AHHA: Exactly, what they should be doing is going to the cable company and checking those In Demand numbers.

Chad: Absolutely, we’ll see. I definitely hope there’s another season.

AHHA: Me too, I really do.

[Hero1]

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