Zoloft SUX!!!!!!!!

[Be]

i got nuthin....a whole lotta nuthin....i still have my vision and it's actually gettin better...honestly iwas on my way to brail classes.....none of my records are done...my depression has become phisically debillitating and i haven't talked to my prime motivator (COZ) in months....




6!!!!!!!!!!!i need some comedy HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Harmeister]

Done. Coz should call you in a few minutes.

[The_Kay_Dee]

Be.
PLEASE DONOT TAKE ZOLOFT!!!!

It has side effects that are worse than the depression it is supposed to treat. I took it for 3 months and I ended up suffering from
"Acute aggression syndrome." I wanted to fight everyone in sight for the smallest ans stupidest reasons. I shot a guys truck to death.
(No joke. He cut me off in traffic and my son dropped his taco on the floor.
I followed him half a mile then shot his truck ( I had a .45 acp taurus with Federal hollow points spaced between Glazer safety slugs. they dissintegrate on impact so as not to leave evidence). It died I peeled off and went home and decided it was time to STOP the madness. I called my Dr. and told
him what was happening and about the guys truck and he took me off zoloft and I have never been happier!



i got nuthin....a whole lotta nuthin....i still have my vision and it's actually gettin better...honestly iwas on my way to brail classes.....none of my records are done...my depression has become phisically debillitating and i haven't talked to my prime motivator (COZ) in months....




6!!!!!!!!!!!i need some comedy HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aerotrooper]

I alway's liked that cute little pill on the commercial that eventually bounces after the ladybug. I've heard terrible things about all anti-depressants now. Maybe it's not you that is having trouble. Maybe it's the world. Maybe your better than the world.

Peace, Love, Happiness, Infinity.

[Hero1]

be you really need to get off those drugs if it is at all possible..have you tried changing your diet..n do sum physical activity it helps the mind..depression is a medical illness that you cant just cure but there must be better ways to deal with it..im not sure loadin up on drugs is having a great effect on you...i hope you have sum kind of epiphany or a miracle occurs where you will fight back against the depression..i dont have the answers but i hope you find sum!!! chase the motherfuckin blues away!
peace
tim

[aerotrooper]

That's what you told me. Long time ago. I havn't been, but I'm still here... Where ever that is.
If there is anything that can bring you joy.... Anything... Try it.
If you're tryin' too hard... give up. let go. If you need to let it out... curse the almighty right off his high horse.... He's God, he can handle it. Take it, wrestle it to the ground then forget it. Exhaust it. Then get some sleep.

[humanity_Sin_egma]

Hi Be~!
I'm new, but I feel your pain and hope I can add something that helps here.

Anti-depressive drugs aren't the whole enchilada. Usually the process is they pick and choose, try it out for size for a month or so and see if it helps. (Sound familiar?) The thing about biochemistry and the brain is they have a lot of unanswered questions. Makes it tricky to know what to do for sure. Meanwhile, the person seeking help feels like a guinea pig.
H's suggestion to watch your diet and exercise is a good one usually accompanied with an occupational therapist's help. The nutrition is how your brain works and things like caffeine, nicotine alter your brain chemistry. Check out the content of hydrogenated fats too 'cause they determined they make your brain swell as well as your ateries. The psychiatrist will help you with the pharmaceutical approach and behavioural therapies.
Here's a few tips:
1. HAPPINESS, DEPRESSION AND SELF-CONCEPT (http://www.mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/chap6/)
2. scorpion city (http://www.scorpioncity.com/depression.html) one persons struggle with depression
For the humor, check out eBaum's WORLD (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/index2.shtml)
Here's a sample of the jokes...
"John O'Reilly hoisted his beer and said, "Here's to spending the rest of me life, between the legs of me wife!" That won him the top prize at the pub for the best toast of the night! He went home and told his wife, Mary, "I won the prize for the best toast of the night."

She said, "Aye, did ye now. And what was your toast?" John said, "Here's to spending the rest of me life, sitting in church beside me wife." "Oh, that is very nice indeed, John!" Mary said.

The next day, Mary ran into one of John's drinking buddies on the street corner. The man chuckled leeringly and said, "John won the prize the other night at the pub with a toast about you, Mary."

She said, "Aye, he told me, and I was a bit surprised meself. You know, he's only been there twice in the last four years. Once he fell asleep, and the other time I had to pull him by the ears to make him come."

I've watched one of my daughters and others struggle with this and it is a painful process. Anything I can do to help, just ask.

Would be nice if they'd put the bucks into finding a cure for this like alcoholism it sucks the soul right out of you. *alcohol is a depressant too
Funky world we live in when biochemists go to school for six years but make less than bartenders, eh.

Peace.

[Chief]

Be...my children and I will pray for ya man. Keep your head up sir. You do know that you are needed around here dont you?

[syxxpm]

i got nuthin....a whole lotta nuthin....i still have my vision and it's actually gettin better...honestly iwas on my way to brail classes.....none of my records are done...my depression has become phisically debillitating and i haven't talked to my prime motivator (COZ) in months....




6!!!!!!!!!!!i need some comedy HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BE ...as soon as you read this .....leave a message on my answeringmachine and i will call you back as soon as i get home....(midnitish).....aw f*ck it as soon as i get home ill give you a call on your cell ...(hopefully you still awake by then......)....

[Etherspin]

look into zoloft alternatives .. my younger sister (was only 16 at the time) had a nervous breakdown.. she was initially on zoloft.. but since they have put her thru courses of 2 other drugs that have less severe side effects and its far far better .. think the latest one is solian/lexipro , she also had rispiridal/rispiridone (**** dual names!!) before that and she is progressing well.. she is out of depression now

[Hero1]

its funny how the world works ..hey kay dee after reading this i went and watched the news and the 2nd story was about this guy who was like 70 years old and on anti depressants and there was this huge road rage incident where he tried to kill this guy in his street.. he thought it was this guy who had kept drivin down his street harassin him or sumthin and the victim had never been there b4.. the thing is depression is a medical condition..its not like you can suddenly be happy and you are out of it.. i know we all wanna see be get better because the irony is he's helped a lot of people in dark places with his music..so if we can do anythin 2 help him in return we'll do it

[aerotrooper]

First: off topic a little. HieroHero, I heard that, I was road trippin' once when I pulled in for gas while listening too Paper doll... I took the key's out and began pumpin' the gas when I realized Paper doll was playing on the overhead speakers... First I wigged out a bit... Usually I wouldn't, but the stress of the long drive and all. Then came wonderland... I gladly stepped into the magic of the moment and got a cup of coffee.
Be's really hurting huh,
I have a feeling he's about to embark on something that will blow away the scene again.
Should I address this to you Be? My magic eight ball say's you can't pull things together like you use to. When it's with you, it's yours and if you give it, it'll be great. What your struggling with now is not what it is but you will be on the otherside where it's at. I'm not making promises because I really have no idea why I just said that... But I suspect it could be something so there it is.. what little I have, knowing the little I do.

[aerotrooper]

I'm sure you don't need anymore advice.

Some people swear by different "Alternative methods" All I know is that St. Johns wort IS effective for mild to moderate depression and seasonal effected disorder. I used for to get me through several MN winters. The only side effect is photosensitivity. (White people's skin burns in the sun quickly) I'm not sure how excessive sensitivity to sunlight effects darker skin tones. It works on the same chemicals as Zoloft so you have to work the transistion thing to be on the safe side.
Valarien root is very calming. Taking it at a low dose can calm your mind... makes you feel like you just had a nice nap. In reality though you're probably pretty run down...and with your brain givin' you a break your body say's take me to bed. (can make you sleep.)
Maybe we'll be looking back at the SSRI's in 20 years and think...dang, what was up with all that.

[spidey]

Yes, Be..Zoloft is the fucking worst!

My Doc put me on that crap when he thought I was suicidally depressed. It has the worst side effects. It sucks. All they do is make you numb.

I'm here for ya, Be

[byrdie]

Hrm. I'm not a doctor and I've never been diagnosed with clinical depression, so there's not much of anything I can impart by way of personal experience. Some friends of mine who are not doctors would agree with many of the ideas put forth here:

change of diet - I'm looking into The Schwarzbein Principle (http://www.schwarzbeinprinciple.com/), as it's apprently helped diabetes and PCOS patients; it also claims to be effective in helping with "depression and mood swings"

exercise - if you don't already have a favroite exercise or sport that you can do either alone or with folks, you may want to ask nearby friends if they'll help you experiment and find one. I'm fond of tennis, and found that the local Y has racketball courts that I can use as a tennis wall when I don't have a partner. Maybe, with the help of your friends, you can find something that works for you?

daylight - of course, you're The Nocturnal so this gets tricky. Somewhere in the archives is probably a long description of why you don't do sunlight, but it's winter now so daytime doesn't necessarily mean sunny.

I know two people who get sunsick -- will actually turn purple, blister and pass-out in the summer if they're not kept in cool shade. One, however, found this got better as a side-effect of taking a certain thyriod medication. A more recent acquaintence finds that his Vitamin B levels go into overdrive when sunlight hits his skin, and he goes rages. He has to wear gloves when he drives on sunny days for fear of letting sunlight touch his hands ane experiencing severe road rage.

So ... short of overcast days, UV lamps and Vitamin C; I'm not sure of what to recommend here. Chances are, you've already experimented with this.The only book I have on depression states very clearly on the front that her work applies more to situational than clinical depression (The Depression Book by Cheri Huber (http://www.cherihuber.com/), a Zen Buddhist monk). I've been reading the blog of author Steven Barnes (http://darkush.blogspot.com/); and while he's not the most tactful person in the world, he does have a lot to say about overcoming obstacles and fulfilling potential.

You say that the music isn't coming - is it not, or are you not enjoying what you're producing? There's the idea that for every brilliant work, there's about fifty works of complete garbage that have to be released to make way for it. I remember reading that you've written and even released songs that you thought were crap -- maybe you should consider writing and recording the bad ones to make way for the good ones? Of course, that process is probably more expensive than I could imagine, but I'm certain that if you were willing to do forum sales, you could probably cover the cost of producing these albums and hopefully get back into making music that really matters to you. (And no, I'm not just saying this because I missed out on the album which shall not be named. :p ) If you're already producing this music but aren't happy with it, maybe there are more than just a few good tunes waiting their turn -- maybe you have a masterpiece that needs a lot of room.

I guess that, like everyone else, if there was something I could do to help, I would offer it. But since I can't, I feel the ned to lob random suggestions at you to let you know that I'm at least willing to brainstorm for you. :(

Much luck and love to you, Be.

[syxxpm]

man i feel sorry for him....last night some inconsiderate bastard called bes cell phone at around midnite and be was so freaked out he didnt know who was on the other end of the phone!...oh wait....that was me wasnt it.....BAD SYXX!!..BAD BAD SYXX!!(...dude if i woke you up im seriously sorry!)...

[Be]

no 6....i couldn't hear you...because i'm always in the basement...and the signal sux down there

[STANLEY C. TAYLOR]

I'll say one thing about modern medicine, if it made to make me sicker to get me well, I don't wanna take it. Hang tough, Be. We're all pulling for you.

[eternals layre]

a jew a preist and a fuck it i ant think of a good joke right now. check out euro trip that shit is funny.

[eternals layre]

A doctor at a college campus is giving free physicalls for one week only. Early in the week a girl comes into his office, and the doctor asks her to remove her shirt. The girl proceeds and the doctor immiedietly notices the girl has a large A in the middle of her chest. The doctor asks how did you get that A on your chest. The girl responds by saying that her boyfriend goes to the univeristy of Alabama and when we make love he likes to keep his lettermans jacket on. The doctor finds this rather strange, but just shrugs it off. A little later that week he sees another girl and when she removed her shirt the doctor noticed a large I in her chest. The doctor asks how did you get that I in your chest. The girl tells the doctor that her boyfriend goes to the university of Iowa and when we have sex he likes to keep his lettermans jacket on. The doctor than begins to wonder if all college students keep their lettermans jacket on during intercourse. Even later that week another young women comes in and removes her shirt. Sure enought there is a large W carved into the womens chest. The doctor quickly asks, let me guess your boy friend goes to Wisconsin, the girl replies no, my girlfriend goes to Minnesota.

[Brian221]

A doctor at a college campus is giving free physicalls for one week only. Early in the week a girl comes into his office, and the doctor asks her to remove her shirt. The girl proceeds and the doctor immiedietly notices the girl has a large A in the middle of her chest. The doctor asks how did you get that A on your chest. The girl responds by saying that her boyfriend goes to the univeristy of Alabama and when we make love he likes to keep his lettermans jacket on. The doctor finds this rather strange, but just shrugs it off. A little later that week he sees another girl and when she removed her shirt the doctor noticed a large I in her chest. The doctor asks how did you get that I in your chest. The girl tells the doctor that her boyfriend goes to the university of Iowa and when we have sex he likes to keep his lettermans jacket on. The doctor than begins to wonder if all college students keep their lettermans jacket on during intercourse. Even later that week another young women comes in and removes her shirt. Sure enought there is a large W carved into the womens chest. The doctor quickly asks, let me guess your boy friend goes to Wisconsin, the girl replies no, my girlfriend goes to Minnesota.


I'm in TEARS over here!!!!!

[The_Kay_Dee]

Hiero
You are almost correct. Deppression has been classified as a medical condition. So is bad breath, frequent urination, acne, hyperactivity etc, etc..... Anything that make a person different from the social acceptable "Norm" theres a pill or injection for it. Try this. Go to you Dr., tell him you feel sad. Nothing more. 80% of the time you will walk out with a prescription for an anti-depressant.
I understand that most of the problem with depression is mental.
If you give in to this, it WILL take you.
I felt better after removal from zoloft, because I realized that no matter what the Doc gave me it was going to "Make ME Not Me."
Things could have gone MUCH worse and I saw that, but when I got a breath of fresh air so to speak, The things I had done weren't me at all.
I decided that whatever my problems were the lil' pills they gave me probably weren't going to make shit better. Just make me not care as much or put me in jail for capping a bunch of people. I went on Escapro also. It was much, much diferent from Zoloft, and I did feel better for a short while.
Then I realized again that I was NOT coping with life in my own way. I was allowing the pills to do it. I stopped taking it all and I began to talk. To friends. (Here). I felt like an ass the first time I told a person how I felt, because I was under the impression I would alienate my friends due to my wild or "off beat" rantings. You feel the way you do, any friend will accept that and offer you a place to be you regardless. You CAN suddenly be happy. (Manic depression Manic= high
depression= low.) It is a part of the cycle of depression. IT HITS REALLY REALLY HARD, high or low. I still have times where I feel like death is a good friend, but I look at the shots I fired into the guys truck, and I post a joke here. I haven't taken a pill in a few years. I am in Medical School now, and not only I, but most of my instructors agree that the pills are not as helpful as they are touted. (They are Doctors not just instructors, and since they donot practice private medicine they no longer have to be careful of the contracts rules that the Physicians in practice must obey or face losing $$$$$$, thusly can speak of the ill effects of said medications.) Prozac causes suicide. Zoloft aggression.
escapro hyperactivity. This is why I reccommend that Be not take the zoloft. Because as you said, " i know we all wanna see be get better because the irony is he's helped a lot of people in dark places with his music..so if we can do anythin 2 help him in return we'll do it." My medical and personal experience says I gotta speak up.
Looking for the #'s on how many people experience these effects is mostly useless. The companies that make these drugs, DONOT have to publish any statistics they don't wanna. And the trials are mostly BULLSH*T.
200 people take the drug for 1 year. Noone kills anyone= safe. SELL IT! Someone kills somebody= shut down project, Identify aggressive, anti-social, psychotic, suicidal or otherwise problematic behavior in the violating subject then blame the action taken on Serious psychotic tendencies that were "Undetectable", settle out of court and add a Non-disclosure clause and focus attention on the few that benefitted from thier usage. SELL IT!There is at this very moment a class action suit against the makers of Zoloft for this Very reason.
St. johns wort. GOOD. Lithium Good. Man made antidepressants= bad.
Oh yeah, most older persons are being given anti-deppressants without need.
If you were 70 and your wife died wouldn't you be a tad depressed?
If you were waking up everyday to aching joints, crime, and a system of socail security and medicaid/medicare that pays enough to allow you to buy food or medication, but NOT both wouldn't you be a tad depressed? The pills won't fix that.
Good legislation will. See?



its funny how the world works ..hey kay dee after reading this i went and watched the news and the 2nd story was about this guy who was like 70 years old and on anti depressants and there was this huge road rage incident where he tried to kill this guy in his street.. he thought it was this guy who had kept drivin down his street harassin him or sumthin and the victim had never been there b4.. the thing is depression is a medical condition..its not like you can suddenly be happy and you are out of it.. i know we all wanna see be get better because the irony is he's helped a lot of people in dark places with his music..so if we can do anythin 2 help him in return we'll do it

[humanity_Sin_egma]

k, let's clear up a few things on the APA's DSM (http://allpsych.com/books/index.html#r) IV scale. It's a tool not an absolute. (They have revised the edition. Once upon a time, homosexuality was seen as a dysfunction.) Psychology started out as the study of the soul, but is now considered a Science with diagnoses, etiology, behavioral, biological, environmental factors, & researchable data. Even then, there are different schools of thought like Erikson, Skinner, Piaget .... Take it with a grain of salt 'cause the human spirit is a factor. Treating depression is a bit different than treating bi-polar disease.
Resource for pill side effects can be found here: Drugs (http://www.drugs.com/)
Everyone's body chemistry is different, so everyone has different reactions to drugs. There's the spin on that enchilada.
For instance, I have brain cancer and seizures, so I take an anti-seizure drug that gives me headaches plus. Go figure, but it's better than the alternative. :rolleyes: blah blah blah
Want to help, then check out this: BiPolar (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/bipolar.cfm)
How you can help (http://bipolar.about.com/cs/experience/a/sfe_family_fwd.htm)
This is for u Be:
DBSA (http://www.dbsalliance.org/)
You are not alone; good luck with your struggle!
Oh, glimpsing into a bit of you through your words tells us all you are a Beautiful spirit. ROCK ON & kick this mother in the a :eek: ss

[The_Kay_Dee]

Humanity,
Treating depression is not much different than treating a manic- depressive disorder. The APA scale is a tool yes. You stated the same thing I did. Everyone is different. I do know 1 person who actually benefits from taking an anti-depressant. The problem is, he takes Zoloft to treat pre-mature ejaculation NOT depression. :cool:
In the medical community Homosexuality is STILL viewd as a dysfunction by most. Research into a "Homosexual" gene is still ongoing. Why? If it is a gene, it can be treated with gene therapy. Treating depression is not all that different than treating a bi polar disorder. Treating brain cancer is MUCH different than treating depression. The side effects of the pills used in the treatment of depression usually outweigh the benefits. (The reason for the lawsuit.) I was dumped into a counseling session or two for my own depression, and a couple for research here at school. Most of us were pretty normal people. When I say normal. I mean 10 fingers/toes. 2 arms/ legs. etc,etc...... The only discernable abnormality was that a bunch of healthy adults were sitting around telling drug horror stories and feeling sorry that we had been afflicted by this "terrible and debilitating disease".
The only people there that had no horror stories were the people on Lithium.
I think that was due to the fact that lithium is not a man-made drug.
On the schools of psychology..... NO MAN CAN TELL YOU HOW YOU SHOULD BE. PERIOD. From Erikson to freud, yes they may have been brilliant, but EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. Look at it this way, If you bought a Brand new car and it broke down 2 months after you bought it, and you took it back and discovered that 80% or so of the people that bought this same car had the same problem. Then a person you respect and would not want to be taken for a ride was purchasing the same vehicle, would you not warn them of your personal experience and the observations? The point of my statement was to try and get Be to look into alternatives besides these drugs. From my own personal experience and observations PLUS the opinion of 3-4 Doctors here at school.
Have you attended medical school? ;)



k, let's clear up a few things on the APA's DSM (http://allpsych.com/books/index.html#r) IV scale. It's a tool not an absolute. (They have revised the edition. Once upon a time, homosexuality was seen as a dysfunction.) Psychology started out as the study of the soul, but is now considered a Science with diagnoses, etiology, behavioral, biological, environmental factors, & researchable data. Even then, there are different schools of thought like Erikson, Skinner, Piaget .... Take it with a grain of salt 'cause the human spirit is a factor. Treating depression is a bit different than treating bi-polar disease.
Resource for pill side effects can be found here: Drugs (http://www.drugs.com/)
Everyone's body chemistry is different, so everyone has different reactions to drugs. There's the spin on that enchilada.
For instance, I have brain cancer and seizures, so I take an anti-seizure drug that gives me headaches plus. Go figure, but it's better than the alternative. :rolleyes: blah blah blah
Want to help, then check out this: BiPolar (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/bipolar.cfm)
How you can help (http://bipolar.about.com/cs/experience/a/sfe_family_fwd.htm)
This is for u Be:
DBSA (http://www.dbsalliance.org/)
You are not alone; good luck with your struggle!
Oh, glimpsing into a bit of you through your words tells us all you are a Beautiful spirit. ROCK ON & kick this mother in the a :eek: ss

[Cozmo D]

Dammit, We Need Some More Smilies!!!

[Hero1]

we need a zoloft smilie!

[The_Kay_Dee]

Yeah. Make it a blue smile with a big ass gun and wide paranoid eyes.......

we need a zoloft smilie!

[humanity_Sin_egma]

Humanity,
Treating depression is not much different than treating a manic- depressive disorder. The APA scale is a tool yes. You stated the same thing I did. Everyone is different. I do know 1 person who actually benefits from taking an anti-depressant. The problem is, he takes Zoloft to treat pre-mature ejaculation NOT depression. :cool:
In the medical community Homosexuality is STILL viewd as a dysfunction by most. Research into a "Homosexual" gene is still ongoing. Why? If it is a gene, it can be treated with gene therapy. Treating depression is not all that different than treating a bi polar disorder. Treating brain cancer is MUCH different than treating depression. The side effects of the pills used in the treatment of depression usually outweigh the benefits. (The reason for the lawsuit.) I was dumped into a counseling session or two for my own depression, and a couple for research here at school. Most of us were pretty normal people. When I say normal. I mean 10 fingers/toes. 2 arms/ legs. etc,etc...... The only discernable abnormality was that a bunch of healthy adults were sitting around telling drug horror stories and feeling sorry that we had been afflicted by this "terrible and debilitating disease".
The only people there that had no horror stories were the people on Lithium.
I think that was due to the fact that lithium is not a man-made drug.
On the schools of psychology..... NO MAN CAN TELL YOU HOW YOU SHOULD BE. PERIOD. From Erikson to freud, yes they may have been brilliant, but EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. Look at it this way, If you bought a Brand new car and it broke down 2 months after you bought it, and you took it back and discovered that 80% or so of the people that bought this same car had the same problem. Then a person you respect and would not want to be taken for a ride was purchasing the same vehicle, would you not warn them of your personal experience and the observations? The point of my statement was to try and get Be to look into alternatives besides these drugs. From my own personal experience and observations PLUS the opinion of 3-4 Doctors here at school.
Have you attended medical school? ;)

Hiya Kay Dee:
Hmmmmnnnn, my reply was not meant to confront you or offend you; I'm sorry. Good points there. Agreed that different perspectives can only help Be in his quest for tackling this. My comments were not personally directed towards you.

The different schools of thought are just another way to reach out and help people. Some work for some, while others need a different approach. You're right, I really don't know. They are representative of behavioural approaches to modify a person's approach. Drug therapies alone don't work. Is it group therapy, individual or socio-emotional/educational? Just a ponderance here.

No, I have not attended medical school, but have taken ab., gen. and life development psych. classes. My goal was to become a physical therapist. So I'm no authority, however I have a Mom and daughter, 19, that were hospitalized for major depression/dsythemia. Prozac worked for my Mom, while my daughter has yet to find something that works for her. She suffers from alcoholism too. Both diseases are said to be influenced by the hypothalmus region of the brain. A close friend was diagnosed with manic-depression and was put on lithium. However, her levels went unchecked and she developed a thyroid condition. (this was under the care of a psychiatrist) Counselors, psychologists and psychiatrists misdiagnose patients all the time too. Each has a special approach or leaning to, as well as, different types of degrees and education. Important to know while shopping for a professional. What's the point? Well, just that the pros don't know everything. Sorry, but I do not think it is an exact Science.

As far as empathizing with taking a drug and its side effects for better health, that's all. This thread is not about my stuff. I'll tell you though, I went to a medical professional for help with fibroids. One was halfway pushing into my bowel wall. Very uncomfortable and painful, but the totality of my symptoms were discounted as "all in my head." Now that's funny, 'cause the Doctor was right. No scans in that time period. The kicker is if they figured it out before the Grand Mal, then I'd be looking at remission and a cure. Now, if I go into remission, the cancer will grow back definitely. Doctors do NOT know everything. My neurosurgeon explained that there are quite a few mysteries where the brain is concerned. All that just is I feel the pain of anyone struggling with coping with a chronic disease. Btw, one month before my seizure the professional was telling me to limit my symptoms to one 'cause it was too much to fill out in the diagnostics. :rolleyes:

Another example of infallible medical diagnosing by the experts would be all the teenagers going through "identity crisises." If the're down, it's depression, yet if they are down and anxious and sleepless, it's manic-depression. Not always an accurate assesment if it is a situational reaction. These are all just a glimpse into how the system works and how the patient sometimes feels like they are on a rollercoaster ride. The more informed a person seeking help is, then maybe the better their results can be. Just a thought.

:(
Suffering does suck! Wouldn't it be nice if they'd hurry up and figure out a cure for these disorders?

If this serves no useful purpose to Be, then I'll shut up right now. K~ :o

Now for the smilies, which I agree we all need more of:

[Rumi_Philosophie]

I recommend spiritual therapy maybe a shaman,Babalawo or M'allem. When I am depressed I listne to Gnawa music. That is a spiritual healing music from Morocco. I don't like couinselors/therapists/Psychs etc . They,at least for me are too passive and detached. Be,it sounds like you got a sickness of the soul and therein lies where the treatment is needed.

[The_Kay_Dee]

No confrontational mood detected.

I was stating somethings I saw and know. NO OFFENSE TAKEN! :p
NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE, that exchange was GREAT! This is why I like it here. You know more than you think, that is why I asked if you had attended Med School. Drug therapies are a LARGE part of todays problems.
If you look at the commercials for the anti-deppressants they describe EVERYONE in the entire world at some point in thier lives. If you happen to be in a funk when you see the commercial, you begin to "self- diagnose" and lead yourself into more trouble. You begin to worry about how far gone you are and if you should really ask your Doc about these meds and how bad your "condition" is. The anxiety from this self diagnosis begins to eat away at your self image and you end up with......... DEPRESSION and a prescription. See how easy it is to CREATE your own disease? Drug companies are experts at this ;) .
Physical ailments have some definitive treatments or cures. Mental problems donot. The Brain is The largest mystery to mankind period. We know more about the oceans and seas than the brain. Group therapy/and if necessary individual. You are correct the hypothalamus is thought to be the basis for said "conditions" I have my own theory, but sadly it will never see the light of day as I HATE research and patients. (I only want to fly a flight for life helicopter.) Prozac works for some as do the other drugs. very few....
Sad to say the companies that produce these drugs are truly not interested in the total well being of thier recipients if so, half of these drugs would still be in the testing phase and the complete list of side effects would be given in the lil cute commercials they make for them. Could you imagine....
The Zoloft commercial going on and at the end where they tell you that taking the drug may cause liver or kidney damage, should not be taken with monoamin oxidase inhibitors or alcohol, then hearing "May cause temporary psychotic break wherein you murder or attempt to murder yourself and others....."? wouldn't that snap you out of the afore mentioned cycle of anxiety? YEP! Attempted murder is a definite side effect that NOONE will EVER list. They even make the statistics on that look so infinitesimal.
"under 1% of subjects experience mood swing and violence." 1% of 100 people is 1 person. 1% of a million people is ten thousand. ten thousand people that may feel the need to stab you to death with a rusty spork. For no good reason. Feel safe? The deception is in the numbers. The trials are seriously restricted. NOONE with a history of past violence or attempted suicide is allowed to participate.Ony persons with "Mild to moderate" symptoms and presentation are given the big nod. This gives a skewed outcome. Then the prescribing physician may not inquire as to the history of the patient, and the patient may have no recorded history of violence or attempted suicide. That is where the problems begin to occur. (insert sound bite of " Who let the dogs out" here.) Misdiagnosis of these types of conditions is VERY COMMON. To one professional, the symptoms indicate Manic- Depression. To another Bi polar disorder, another Borderline personality disorder etc, etc, etc......
When shopping for a Professional, check thier background of drug therapy.
There are some pill happy bastards that give away these drugs like water.
There are some that truly have peoples well being in mind and only prescribe drugs as a last ditch effort. (these being the best.)
"Another example of infallible medical diagnosing by the experts would be all the teenagers going through "identity crisises." If the're down, it's depression, yet if they are down and anxious and sleepless, it's manic-depression. Not always an accurate assesment if it is a situational reaction. These are all just a glimpse into how the system works and how the patient sometimes feels like they are on a rollercoaster ride. The more informed a person seeking help is, then maybe the better their results can be. Just a thought." (Sorry I don't have the knack for the quote thing just yet.)
THIS IS MY POINT! Teenagers are not the only people who suffer through identity crisis. We all do. The drugs won't change it or help. Find yourself- you find a way out. I mean hell, if a Doctor believes it, he can publish research stating that Chronic Halitosis is directly linked to depression.
Come on! If your breath stinks, don't commit suicide, get listerine, keep your mouth shut in public! BLEACH! (joke!) I know suffering sucks. I suffered then decided that being tortured was for artists :D . All of this should help Be in some way.
Especially if any of it makes him laugh! Now I am going to go home and get some sleep. I am beginning to ramble incoherently and I have lost my place about 10 times in the last 10 minutes. Too much to do. (school, work, raising a child, Being a student instructor + I walk everywhere I go cuz I don't have a car.) Living on 3 hour of sleep a day makes you ......... :confused:



Hiya Kay Dee:
Hmmmmnnnn, my reply was not meant to confront you or offend you; I'm sorry. Good points there. Agreed that different perspectives can only help Be in his quest for tackling this. My comments were not personally directed towards you.

The different schools of thought are just another way to reach out and help people. Some work for some, while others need a different approach. You're right, I really don't know. They are representative of behavioural approaches to modify a person's approach. Drug therapies alone don't work. Is it group therapy, individual or socio-emotional/educational? Just a ponderance here.

No, I have not attended medical school, but have taken ab., gen. and life development psych. classes. My goal was to become a physical therapist. So I'm no authority, however I have a Mom and daughter, 19, that were hospitalized for major depression/dsythemia. Prozac worked for my Mom, while my daughter has yet to find something that works for her. She suffers from alcoholism too. Both diseases are said to be influenced by the hypothalmus region of the brain. A close friend was diagnosed with manic-depression and was put on lithium. However, her levels went unchecked and she developed a thyroid condition. (this was under the care of a psychiatrist) Counselors, psychologists and psychiatrists misdiagnose patients all the time too. Each has a special approach or leaning to, as well as, different types of degrees and education. Important to know while shopping for a professional. What's the point? Well, just that the pros don't know everything. Sorry, but I do not think it is an exact Science.

As far as empathizing with taking a drug and its side effects for better health, that's all. This thread is not about my stuff. I'll tell you though, I went to a medical professional for help with fibroids. One was halfway pushing into my bowel wall. Very uncomfortable and painful, but the totality of my symptoms were discounted as "all in my head." Now that's funny, 'cause the Doctor was right. No scans in that time period. The kicker is if they figured it out before the Grand Mal, then I'd be looking at remission and a cure. Now, if I go into remission, the cancer will grow back definitely. Doctors do NOT know everything. My neurosurgeon explained that there are quite a few mysteries where the brain is concerned. All that just is I feel the pain of anyone struggling with coping with a chronic disease. Btw, one month before my seizure the professional was telling me to limit my symptoms to one 'cause it was too much to fill out in the diagnostics. :rolleyes:

Another example of infallible medical diagnosing by the experts would be all the teenagers going through "identity crisises." If the're down, it's depression, yet if they are down and anxious and sleepless, it's manic-depression. Not always an accurate assesment if it is a situational reaction. These are all just a glimpse into how the system works and how the patient sometimes feels like they are on a rollercoaster ride. The more informed a person seeking help is, then maybe the better their results can be. Just a thought.

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Suffering does suck! Wouldn't it be nice if they'd hurry up and figure out a cure for these disorders?

If this serves no useful purpose to Be, then I'll shut up right now. K~ :o

Now for the smilies, which I agree we all need more of:

[humanity_Sin_egma]

Agreed; this place is great. Thanks for your thoughtful reply and glad you didn't take offense. :)

You make some more very worthwhile points. So, basically the more you know when dealing with your health; the better off you are.
Guide to Good Health (http://www.ahrq.gov/ppip/adguide/)

Pharmaceutical companies with all their money lobbying and power plays don't always work above board. Right on there! If it is not lucrative to make a certain drug, they will drop it. Even if it benefits someone somewhere. Such a shame. Especially since they have enough money to promote certain drugs through commercials.

Yup, statistics can be skewed and often are in research data to prove a point. The varying degrees in diagnosis can be a sticky point. Got that straight. Analytical, logical, but keep the human compassionate side in their too. What was Hippocrate's credo that is now the Doctor's oath? Balance is key with many things in life. Consumer's need to educate themselves and shop for the right Doctor. Not all are alike. Difficult to do when you are suffering, but necessary. With all that said, thank God for modern medicine!

Good luck with your studies and all! Being a student instructor must be a wonderful experience. Something about trying to teach another that makes you really grasp the information. Cool! Look at the bright side, walking is very healthy! ;) Great low impact cardio excercise Kay Dee; wtg. Something tells me the health profession will be better off having a person like you in the field. Excellent. Oh, and get some sleep. :D

Be we are rooting for you!

[The_Kay_Dee]

Thanks,

You got it. the more you know about your own PERSONAL health the better equipped to handle any problems.
The Pharmacuetical lobbyists spend HUGE amounts of $$$$ on the more lucrative medications and therapies. Therapies..... This is another of the "bad things" these companies do. They make "Therapies." And spend less on "Curatives." The $$$$$ is in the treatment of disease not the eradication of it. The less deadly diseases anyhow. They WILL spend millions on finding a better cure for smallpox. Why? It would kill too many too fast and then where would they be?
Did you know that actually taking the Hippocratic oath is not practiced as widely by the medical proffession? The sentiment is that the knowledge makes the Physiacin not the oath.... I think it was just so the ones that end up working with these companies or start "Pill Pusshing" for profit can actually not feel like the scum they are because they never promised to do no harm. I hope that the medical profession IS better off with me in the ranks. Most of the people I have as classmates and students are very caring individuals. MOST are very competent. What should scare you about that statement is that I said "MOST"......



Agreed; this place is great. Thanks for your thoughtful reply and glad you didn't take offense. :)

You make some more very worthwhile points. So, basically the more you know when dealing with your health; the better off you are.
Guide to Good Health (http://www.ahrq.gov/ppip/adguide/)

Pharmaceutical companies with all their money lobbying and power plays don't always work above board. Right on there! If it is not lucrative to make a certain drug, they will drop it. Even if it benefits someone somewhere. Such a shame. Especially since they have enough money to promote certain drugs through commercials.

Yup, statistics can be skewed and often are in research data to prove a point. The varying degrees in diagnosis can be a sticky point. Got that straight. Analytical, logical, but keep the human compassionate side in their too. What was Hippocrate's credo that is now the Doctor's oath? Balance is key with many things in life. Consumer's need to educate themselves and shop for the right Doctor. Not all are alike. Difficult to do when you are suffering, but necessary. With all that said, thank God for modern medicine!

Good luck with your studies and all! Being a student instructor must be a wonderful experience. Something about trying to teach another that makes you really grasp the information. Cool! Look at the bright side, walking is very healthy! ;) Great low impact cardio excercise Kay Dee; wtg. Something tells me the health profession will be better off having a person like you in the field. Excellent. Oh, and get some sleep. :D

Be we are rooting for you!

[humanity_Sin_egma]

I hear ya on that one Kay Dee. I remember sitting in a Humanities class with a person in the criminal justice program. She'd trash the course and brag about speeding on her way to class. Ya know, the irony in that one.
My sis does corporate level work for Health Benefits and tells me she runs into lots of problems with the money mentality too. If its not the health insurance companies then its other red tape and so on and so on.
But still, modern medicine has made some great strides.
Did you read the New Yorker's article on the DMS guide? Intersting stuff.
Tough to navigate and get in place the right treatment plan for depression/bipolar, but the alternative is worse. How many suffer in silence.
Kudos to anyone who gets help. The stigma isn't gone.
Wonderin' how Be is doing...

[xtristessax]

my boyfriend is a therapist and he is hard pressed to be convinced of giving anyone medication without trying therapy first. the only time i can think of that he would recommend any meds was if it helped them respond to therapy, or maybe for an actual physical condition.

[The_Kay_Dee]

DING! Theres a GOOD therapist! Kinda hard to find these days though.
My own therapist took one session and put me on pills.
The meds were made to ASSIST in therapeutic treatment of mental disorder, not as a "Cure all" some where along the line people got lost and lazy.
(Oh and the $$$$ wasn't killing them either.)
No I havent read them yet, but now I will.(humanity)
K :o

[humanity_Sin_egma]

Here it is Kay Dee:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050103fa_fact
THE DICTIONARY OF DISORDER

[The_Kay_Dee]

Here it is Kay Dee:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050103fa_fact
THE DICTIONARY OF DISORDER
THANKS!!!