Mac Vs PC

[Cozmo D]

Well well well...looks like this isn't even a contest anymore!

When Win XP came out I had to admit that PCs had finally caught up. XP was stable and excellent at multi-tasking while it was much easier and cheaper to build a Pentium 4 system that was just as fast as the top of the line G4s.

But then, Mac came out with Panther, and Windows got blown away again. Pentiums hit a speed ceiling, while the G4s kept getting faster. Then the G5s came out, blowing away the Pentiums. Now the G5s have gotten faster still, the DP 2.7 Ghz G5 is testing at TWICE the speed of the fastest Pentiums. Now Tiger has been released with features that Microsoft is over a year away from implementing.

And rumours abound about the soon to be released Dual-Core G5s, likely doubling the fastest G5s out now and QUADRUPLING the speed of the fastest Pentiums. :eek:

Hax? :p

[eternals layre]

agree (directly after installing tiger server) mac's are a far better os.
I installed tiger server on a g3 300 and ran like a dream. try xp or server on a 500p3.


Tiger is swift dashboard is useless the way its used. but spotlight makes up for it

[Etherspin]

dont make my brain explode.. i got one week till my 2ghz g5 with tiger arrives and ive never used anything apple newer than 1999

[eternals layre]

you will flip. ITs awsome

[aerotrooper]

I've only had two computers in my life. The first was PC running windows 98... I never gave too much thought to Mac's until I saw the first generation iMac's and just thought they looked slick. I was impressed by how quiet they were and the combo drive was nifty. So I said why not.
I noticed quickly how easy everything is to do on a Mac. Apple designs both the hardware and the software right? For whatever reason everything is just a lot less complicated. I have the wireless keyboard and mouse which is great for watching DVD's or just the fact that I don't have to be sitting right at the computer. Everything about them is streamlined and intuitive. The Speech recognition is also impressive... I can just say "zoom text" or "move page down" and I instantly feel as if it is actually well past the year 2000. Anyway, Now when I get on a PC I feel like I'm in some technogical wilderness.
I like Mac's. They are good. :)

[eternals layre]

I will say this anything before osx is junk, the equilivent to win 3.1. I had 2 systems one ran 6 one 9.2 never used them much they are useless. osx is the shit nothing on this earth comes close. Im from more a linux/beos background than windows but, I have had my fair share. osx makes linux and beos what it should be

[Cozmo D]

9.2 was superior to Windows 98 in almost every way but multi-tasking. Of course, you are into coding while I am not, so I can't speak to that end, but in terms of power and stabillity it wasn't even close.

Perhaps the 98 GUI looked a little better, but 9.2 could be customized to look any way you want. 98 was wysiwyg, and that wasn't much. :p

As for 3.1, that shit was TERRIBLE! It wasn't even a real OS. I had PLENTY of DOS menus that worked so much better that I avoided it like the plague.

[Wheeljak]

I've loved Macs for a long time, but at the time when I was starting into computer stuff, I couldn't afford a Mac. So, I got a PC, and through the years, suffered my way through Win3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, ME (gag), and finally had a sigh of relief when I got XP. I would love to have both a Mac and a WinPC (I'm not giving up on the old girl), but I just don't have the room for two computers in my apartment. Besides that, I spend too much time with this one. How bad would it get if I had two computers to feed and groom?

[Cozmo D]

Yeah, that ME was a disaster! :D

[Harmeister]

Disclaimer: I am a business user, not a music user.

I have several pc's and a dual G5 in my office, and the mac freaking drives me nuts. Nothing is where I want it to be and the stupid finder blows. Windows Explorer, imnsho, kicks finder's heiny. And the one button mac mouse has always sucked (I have plugged in a "normal" three button usb mouse in the the mac, so at least I don't have that problem)

The UI is more consistant on a mac, since that's the way mac people like it, so I can't fault them there. Windows apps succom to the whim of the designer, and all developers think differently, so sometimes it can be a pain to figure out an app. But for the most part I like ssh'ing in to my mac do what I need to do via the commandline.

The only thing that a mac has that gives me envy is the battery life on the new i-books. Those things last for ever. There was this lady next to me on a flight from San Fransisco to Boston who was typing on an i-book. She had been going for about two hours when I asked her how much battery life was left. She didn't know how to figure it out, so I borrowed the touchpad for a sec and showed her. There was more than four and a half hours left. That's quite a battery...

For business applications, and programming in general, I will stick with my PC. Mind you I just finished making the Mac installer for ColdFusion 7, so I do actually use macs regularly (and lots of different flavors of linux, solaris, windows, and some other psycho OS's like AIX and HPUX)

[Cozmo D]

A 1 button mouse? In OS X on a G5? Who stole your mouse man? Macs have been shipping with a 2-button mouse since Blue & White G3s! That's like since 1998 man!!! :D :D :D

[Cozmo D]

Oh wait, you DON'T have a 1-button mouse. You're just complaining about a Mac problem that was solved nearly 10 years ago!

And BTW...what "business" programs are you running that aren't available AND MORE STABLE in OS X? Surely it's not Macromedia stuff, 'cause I have all of that on BOTH platforms. :)

[Harmeister]

The windows versions of most macromedia products are more powerful, actually. There are features that are not in the mac versions, but it's not them that I use.

Mostly programming apps like Delphi, Visual Studio, and Homesite for which there is no Mac equivalent.

[Cozmo D]

Well, maybe they're more powerful, that's thanx to the programmers, but they're not more stable, that's thanx to the OS!

I know nothing about coding or programming, but I know the bread and butter of my business, which is music, graphics and video. Hardware to hardware, Mac is DESTROYING Wintel right now...this CANNOT be denied! On the OS side, OS X is DESTROYING Win XP as well.

And besides, your complaints about the Mac appear to be purely asthetic, which I understand since I use both platforms so much. There are simple little things on both that I wish the other would implement. But, the fact that you thought Mac's still used a 1-button mouse shows that you have definitely not given them a chance. :)

BTW, ever try to search for a particular file using Windows? I have 2 120 gig drives in my PC and it can take a good 5 minutes to finish. I have an 80, a 160 and a 300 gig on my Mac, it literally takes like 5 seconds! :D

[Etherspin]

coz, are you saying my imac may have a two button? i thought they were gonna put a single in.. ill have to check.. either way i need a scroll wheel so... i cant wait either way

[Cozmo D]

You too huh! LOL!!! :D :D :D

[eternals layre]

the one button on a laptop is the onlyreason i wont get a mac for my mobile. I have to have 2 buttons and scroll intragrated.

[Wheeljak]

I know nothing about coding or programming, but I know the bread and butter of my business, which is music, graphics and video. Hardware to hardware, Mac is DESTROYING Wintel right now...this CANNOT be denied! On the OS side, OS X is DESTROYING Win XP as well.
"Outrunning,"; yes, but definitely not "destroying". I've noticed that Mac evangelists have a grand tendency toward the use of hyperbole.
A Windows PC is going to retain a foothold in the power user market, not by virtue of its own stats, but by virtue of its ubiquity, which drives its pricing lower and lower, and its tinkerability, which makes it interesting for people like me, who like playing with building blocks. PC hardware is so common, that I can build a state-of-the-art system from off-the-shelf parts (with many more bells & whistles) for less than a third of the price that I would pay for a high-end Mac, and as far as processing speed, there just ain't a big enough library of 64-bit native applications out there yet to make the gap in CPU performance all that noticeable.
I love the elegance of a Mac, but until there comes something that makes pricing comparable, people in general won't be able to justify choosing a Mac over a PC unless they are hip-deep in an industry (like Hollywood or the Graphic Design community) that is dependent on Macs, and thus, there won't be any "destroying" going on.
But keep spreading the Mac gospel, Coz. One day, thanks to you, people may learn that Macs come with two button mice. Of course, they may say, "...but my PC trackball has five buttons, and a scroll wheel!",
but, hey-- that's life.

[eternals layre]

0k hold on on my macs i run a kensington turbo pro trackball button mouse scroll and 6 web buttons.

[Cozmo D]

the one button on a laptop is the onlyreason i wont get a mac for my mobile. I have to have 2 buttons and scroll intragrated.
Agreed! It pisses me off on my I-Book as well! :mad:

[Cozmo D]

"Outrunning,"; yes, but definitely not "destroying". I've noticed that Mac evangelists have a grand tendency toward the use of hyperbole.
A Windows PC is going to retain a foothold in the power user market, not by virtue of its own stats, but by virtue of its ubiquity, which drives its pricing lower and lower, and its tinkerability, which makes it interesting for people like me, who like playing with building blocks. PC hardware is so common, that I can build a state-of-the-art system from off-the-shelf parts (with many more bells & whistles) for less than a third of the price that I would pay for a high-end Mac, and as far as processing speed, there just ain't a big enough library of 64-bit native applications out there yet to make the gap in CPU performance all that noticeable.
I love the elegance of a Mac, but until there comes something that makes pricing comparable, people in general won't be able to justify choosing a Mac over a PC unless they are hip-deep in an industry (like Hollywood or the Graphic Design community) that is dependent on Macs, and thus, there won't be any "destroying" going on.
But keep spreading the Mac gospel, Coz. One day, thanks to you, people may learn that Macs come with two button mice. Of course, they may say, "...but my PC trackball has five buttons, and a scroll wheel!",
but, hey-- that's life.
No, I agree to ALL of that DJ! I am not a Mac evangelist, I use BOTH platforms BY CHOICE, and have ever since DOS 3.x! Frankly, I STILL think my Amiga 500 was pound for pound the dopest computer I ever owned!

All I'm talking is power, speed and stability, THAT is where the destruction is going on...and frankly it can't be denied! :p

As for the foothold thingy, I DON'T WANT MAC TO WIN THAT!!! All I want is for Mac to continue to prosper, and keep it's little 8% share of the computer market, with it's Mac elitists and snobs. I'll probably always keep a PC to do the few things that are best done on a PC, and hopefully the other 92% will go on believing that Macs only have 1 mouse button and can't multi-task! That way I will continue to not have to worry about putting in any virus protection! :p :p :p

Oh, and my trackball has 4 buttons and a scroll wheel, only because the 8 button model seemed like overkill to me... :D :D :D

[Wheeljak]

Frankly, I STILL think my Amiga 500 was pound for pound the dopest computer I ever owned!
:D :D :D Yeah!
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! I LOVE the Amiga! When they were out, I couldn't afford one of my own, but my main circle of friends happened to all be into Amigas (most of them had 1000s). Shoot, at a time when Macs had two color displays and PCs had eight, Amigas had 4,096, baby! At a time when Macs were silent and PCs had little more than beeps and boops ('cause nobody but the rich kids had SoundBlasters), Amigas were playing high-quality MIDIs and MODs!

Do you remember how amazing those demos from Europe were? I've seen a lot of amazing things on computers since then, but some of that Amiga stuff coulda made my jaw fall off its hinges.

I don't think I would have developed the love of computers I have now, if I had not discovered the Amiga. Of course, maybe I'd be married to a beautiful woman by now, too, but that's neither here nor there. :p

[Cozmo D]

Yeah, Amiga was WAY ahead of it's time!

[Etherspin]

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[Etherspin]

personally , i preferred the input system on my abacus to pc and even amiga , i thought it was way ahead of its time and ill be damned if anyone could engineer a virus for that sweet piece of computing power.....

[Chief]

its called termites tim...:)

[Etherspin]

:)

[justafan]

all the macs and my school have the one button mouse and some of them are rather new. Also when I was doing some statistical analysis on some rocks the computer crashed multiple times, although the software was likely the culprit.

Overall I think that Macs suck, just the interface alone does it too me, plus the one button mouse(although it's been mentioned that has changed).

[Etherspin]

well, im a mac virgin who used dos,windows and linux since 1995 so ill give you a fresh perspective on an up to date mac if and when my baby arrives!! :)

[Cozmo D]

all the macs and my school have the one button mouse and some of them are rather new. Also when I was doing some statistical analysis on some rocks the computer crashed multiple times, although the software was likely the culprit.

Overall I think that Macs suck, just the interface alone does it too me, plus the one button mouse(although it's been mentioned that has changed).
What the hell Macs do you have at your school? If you don't know the model #s what do they look like? Also, what OS are they running, because though programs may crash if the OS crashed you likely have a hardware problem if it's Panther or later. :confused:

[Harmeister]

The Dual G5 is less than a year old, and it shipped to us with the default mac keyboard (which also drives me nuts) and a mouse that is a button.

Yes, I know you can get different stuff (hence my USB mouse), but by default, coz, that is not what they ship with.

My complaints on a mac are not about asthetic things only, it truly does drive me nuts. The only saving grace (i think) from my point of view is that I can ssh into it from a putty terminal, so I don't have to deal with the OSX UI (which annoys me)

[Cozmo D]

Well, could be that they changed it for the G5s, which is stupid. I don't have a G5, but the top of the line DP 1.25 G4 that I bought in November came with a 2 button mouse.

You haven't mentioned 1 technical thing yet, layouts of keyboards and mice and UI ARE asthetics. I can understand anybody who's used to 1 thing not liking another because it's not what they're used to or it doesn't work the same.

Since 1998 when the program I used for music, Studio Vision Pro, was discontinued I had refused to go to something else. SVP just was laid out better and made much more sense. Even as the technology got better and the other programs improved I refused to switch. My program was no longer the most powerful and lacked features that all the others had but it still musically made much more sense to me. Even OS X coming out couldn't make me switch, which is why I got a G4 because G5s can't run 9.2.2. Finally, Apple bought the most powerful but most eccentric of the programs, Logic, and made it make sense, so now I've made the switch. However, what kept me from doing it for so long was not the technology, it was asthetics.

Macs are faster, more powerful, and more stable than PCs running Windows right now, which is UNDENIABLE and what this thread was about in the FIRST PLACE! :eek: :p :D

[Chief]

Mac trucks are cool!

[Harmeister]

oooh, yeah they are. Except I think it's spelled Mack, not Mac.

[Chief]

no shit dick tracy :)

[Harmeister]

Well, I didn't know if you were joking or it was because you're a red-necked hick who couldn't spell. So I gambled with the latter thinking it was the safest bet.

[Chief]

Lol

[Etherspin]

ok well.. i got it (Imac G5, 20 inch mon, 250gb hdd, 1gig ram) I was bewildered on the first day because when you install programs it involves less setting up and i was actually worried cause most of it was taken care of , the installation was as simple as downloading programs and dragging the programs icon into the applications section on the mac.. this was the same as everything else it was a bit scary ,, probably something i havent felt since about 1993 when i was getting used to DOS

now im starting to get the hang of everything and its becoming very intuitive and the interface in various programs is very similar..

probably the thing i was most worried about was how hard it would be to set up the internet on here WIRELESSLY.. i plugged in the apple wireless transmitter to the spare plug on the modem which is actually hooked up to the PC then i walked back into the room with the mac.. not looking forward to what i thought would be hours of going backwards and forwards looking in manuals and checking Apple support forums on the PC.. but a new message popped up on the Imac screen.. "Your internet connection appears to be working.." i popped in a web address... bingo .. !150k a second.. im IMPRESSEd ;)

[Etherspin]

im still impressed with tiger Os on the mac .. all the normal stuff i would do on pc is easier and looks nicer.. im getting exponentially more to grips with it each day but still have to figure a lot of things out... havent found a decent dc++ client yet or decent p2p stuff.. but theres lots of them out there so ill try some more....

[Etherspin]

who is on what version of OS x , if you have done any version upgrade at all (not necessarily to tiger) what new features are you digging or not feelin?

[eternals layre]

10.4 love everything cept dashboard usless

[Etherspin]

i thought so till i assigned it to a screen corner and downloaded movie times widget, tv times widget, turned on the weather one, got rss widgets and a stack of others , now i just swipe my mouse 2 the bottom right screen corner and i got all the info i need..