Anyone else notice this?

[justafan]

this place has been thouroughly boring me lately, am I alone on this view? I mean no offense by this post.

Chief, Hero and Coz have been noticably absent for the most part and I need to know why. Is it life taking up your time, is it the vibe here, is it something else? Let me know all three of you, there is something lacking around here and I want to get those times back.

[matt]

You people who post here regularly should meet at a concert or
something.

[Wheeljak]

this place has been thouroughly boring me lately, am I alone on this view? I mean no offense by this post. It's been kind of slow lately, but isn't "thoroughly boring" a bit harsh?

Chief, Hero and Coz have been noticably absent for the most part and I need to know why. Chief just got married a few weeks ago, and Coz has been doing a lot of live shows-- and is likely recuperating from the road. They'll be back.

[justafan]

It's been kind of slow lately, but isn't "thoroughly boring" a bit harsh?

Uhm, should I not say how I feel? Should I not tell the truth? I don't mean any offense by the way that I actually feel, just putting it out there.

[Cozmo D]

I'm here, just haven't had a lot to say. The climate around here hasn't been particularly inspiring for me for quite some time now.

[justafan]

I'm here, just haven't had a lot to say. The climate around here hasn't been particularly inspiring for me for quite some time now.


I feel that, so what can we do to change things? We gotta liven it up around here.

Any Sox fans in the house?

[Cozmo D]

I feel that, so what can we do to change things? We gotta liven it up around here.

Any Sox fans in the house?
I'm no fan but I'm rooting for them.

[humanity_Sin_egma]

You people who post here regularly should meet at a concert or
something.
OH man, my thirteen year old gets gently reminded about how offensive it is to say "you people."
Funny, it seems not too long ago the gripe was no one was coming here and to boost up interest. J, has a legitimate question. Cozmo's sentiments are true for anyone who visits a forum. Take what you like and leave the rest. Right? :confused:
My question is if you don't like it, then what are you doing about it?
To be fair to Hax, who puts his own time and money into this (?), the tide ebbs and flows. Now it wouldn't be a good thing to run users off either, would it? jmtc

[Etherspin]

still rocks... ebb and flow.. and crazy members help too!

[humanity_Sin_egma]

still rocks... ebb and flow.. and crazy members help too!
oh yea...that'd be me...crazzzzy...still smokin'...with brain cancer...kickin' meself
ya it rocks *sitting down quietly now

[Wheeljak]

OH man, my thirteen year old gets gently reminded about how offensive it is to say "you people."

I don't think he meant it that way, although it was a faux pas.
Chalk another point for supporting the widespread usage of the wonderfully Southern word "y'all". It's the best plural second person pronoun that exists in the English language. Everyday, I see New Yorkers moving down here, abandoning their "youses" and picking up our "y'alls"
One day, I will hear someone on the BBC say it, and then I can rest.

[DJ Detroit Butcher]

This forum has had it's ups and downs as long as it has existed. Things will turn around J. Thanks for sticking around! And thanks for speaking your mind - if we don't feel that we can speak honestly, what's the point?

[can]

One day, I will hear someone on the BBC say it, and then I can rest.

ohh that would be priceless, i can see it now.... *ponders the thought*

[Is*it*my*turn]

My question is if you don't like it, then what are you doing about it?

My thoughts exactally. Not everyone can be entertaining all the time. And not everyone can be entertained by the same thing all the time. While one is entertained the other is bored and vise versa. I doubt we are all entertained all the time by what others post here, but there is no doubt that someone liked/was interested by the topics on this forum or they wouldnt be posted here, right? To each his own, it's all good.

[Hero1]

this forum died 5 years ago and has been comatose ever since...

[Cozmo D]

this forum died 5 years ago and has been comatose ever since...
Well, it was only born 4 years ago, but I guess that I finally have to admit that it has been a case of the living dead for quite some time.

I think that some of us only come out of a sense of obligation now, the fun was sucked out of here a long time ago. :(

[justafan]

So I am not the only one. It seems the new members are the only ones that don't think so, which makes sense since they weren't here before and have nothing to compare it to.

That being said... where do we go from here?

I say we should go up! But I don't know how to take this place there. Discussing it is a start though. Questions - Comments - Ideas --- these all seem like good things to do now, so who will start us off? This little post is my attempt.

[Etherspin]

isnt the forum mood pretty much a delayed response to activity from the pm dawn camp ? like how it got a temp boost after the hit me baby show went 2 air ? anyway, i still love it

[humanity_Sin_egma]

Well, it was only born 4 years ago, but I guess that I finally have to admit that it has been a case of the living dead for quite some time.

I think that some of us only come out of a sense of obligation now, the fun was sucked out of here a long time ago. :(
What was it that made it fun?
Sense of humor, common interests, bootay pics?
good thread Scott 'n seriously skimming quickly myself
it does suck when you post n no one responds then it's a case of why bother
here's a buck keep the change 'cause that was only worth tc :rolleyes:

[Hero1]

I don't think you can get back what we had..it was another time.. a new pm dawn album some fresh meat and coz asking for bootay pics and maybe it will be fun again lol.. you can never predict the future..

[Cozmo D]

What was it that made it fun?
Sense of humor, common interests, bootay pics?
All of the above.

Mostly it was the sense of humor and sense of family. In fact, the only true common interest that we ALL shared outside of PM Dawn was that feeling of family, and knowing that no matter how raucous we got with each other either in threads or in the chat room we were down with each other no matter what.

There was a time that I thought that I had found an entire forum of friends-for-life, even though I had never met any of them. This was really important to me at the time personally because my life-long best friend had moved to Florida, my cousin who had always been like my brother was no longer talking to me, and my other life-long best friend was so overwhelmed in his own personal life that we barely saw each other anymore. This place became my therapy, and I ended up doing what I had once swore that I never would, spending most of my time on the internet.

In truth, I still feel like I have found friends-for-life here, like Chief, Syxx, FrEk, Ether, Hero and Harm, but the sense of family here is dead and buried. Any sign of fun that starts to emerge is usually swiftly stifled by anger, oversensitivity, vacating members or threats of banishment. The kicker for me was when Hax threatened the admins for posting Is*it*my*turn's bootay pic, and then followed that up with something on a personal level that told me that he didn't consider me the friend that I had always considered him.

So now, I just come here because I feel obligated to Be and most of the rest of you, and go elsewhere for my fun.

I honestly don't even know that I won't face some sort of repercussions for saying this...

[humanity_Sin_egma]

Wow~I feel that and for you all.
If it makes any difference, the feeling of family n then losing that is a kicker.
:(
Most misunderstandings start that way and I'm sorry. Been there myself, but it's cool you said something.
Last Thursday, Lew, Sam. and I pulled up to the ATM near my house. Usually I wait, if there's not a big crowd, until whomever is in is finished with their biz. So the guy gets out and into his suv. I go in, get my money and leave, going to cross behind his truck, then hear "Hey there, Donna." omg I haven't said that in years and see an ex boyfriend I never expected to see and didn't even recognize. Was totally surprised he even knew who I was. Bad shit went down between us and I'm not made for the casual fun type of dating deals. But you know what I really was impressed with the patience and maturity he showed in sticking around to say hi. I said hey back and asked him how he was doing. He looked down and then looked me in the eye and smiled. I just nodded my head and walked away. What else is there to say, but the feeling of forgiveness and being able to walk in someone elses shoes was a good thing. That's my wish for here. I only share this 'cause it's not about I, me, you in the story, but if anyone can relate~ cool. Life is too damn short for stuff to get in the way of our joy. Oh, Hax or whomever, I can relate to the oversensitive stuff too. None of us are perfect and it's okay. Pride and ego for myself cause I can't speak for others is a waste of energy. ...peace and hope that familyfeelin comes back
that's the beauty here and i think why some of us still stick around
takes courage to tell it like it is and not worry about rep, and all that crap
*shutting up now

[Wheeljak]

I don't think you can get back what we had..it was another time.. a new pm dawn album some fresh meat and coz asking for bootay pics and maybe it will be fun again lol.. you can never predict the future.. I really miss Coz asking for bootay pics. After he quit, I tried to carry on his bootay-questing legacy, but alas, my shoulders were just not broad enough to wear the mantle...
I didn't even know that there was a whole episode going on concerning that certain bootay pic. I knew it was online for five minutes and never again saw the light of day, but I had no idea of the turbulent situation that was going on just under the surface.
Y'all may say that this place is just a ghost of its former self, but I belong to several forums, and this place, even if it is in a diminished state, is still my favorite.

I hope all y'all oldheads patch up your old drama, and start having fun here again. Coz is right: the love of an artist is not enough to power a forum-- There needs to be a strong sense of community to make this thing work.

[Etherspin]

coz hit in in more ways than one.. besides the dramas this is still a place of friends and i *think* who the real ones are...

think .... :)

[Etherspin]

should we re-invite the ban-ees??? haha naaaah i still couldnt cope with tinker!!!!!

[PsychoMan]

A slightly different perspective...

I've been reading this forum for as long as it's been around... and it still looks pretty much the same to me. Members come and go, conversations come and go, drama comes and goes. In my opinion, people take things a little too seriously around here, but everyone's got issues so I expect that will always be the case.

The bottom line is that I hope people realize that this forum transcends its regular members. It is the ONLY place for fans to get current information about PM Dawn... and yes, there are still fans out there. I read this forum every day just hoping that there will be a smidgen of news about PM Dawn. Obsessive? Maybe. I regard this forum as the only link I have to a band that I love.

FWIW, I will again take this opportunity to send my kudos to Hax for maintaining it, and to Coz who seems to be one of the few people around here who really has their head screwed on straight.

[syxxpm]

in my case

a. i have a job that takes 9 hours of my day from 3pm-midnite not counting driving to and from...5 days a week with the days always changing...and whenever im on here...nobody save occasionally for coz chief and hax are on here...

b.i havent been inspired to right anything in a while...i mean i do some witty posts on here but im basically more concerned about how everyone is doing...

[Hero1]

I like what coz said.. people who come here for news about pm dawn and dont post they are still here.. but we had a cool little family going and it was very fun.. because we were all such different people..still down with everyone like coz, chief, hax, be, frek, atma, syxx whatever happens anyway :)

[DJ Detroit Butcher]

In truth, I still feel like I have found friends-for-life here, like Chief, Syxx, FrEk, Ether, Hero and Harm

oh.

[Mistress M]

I really miss Coz asking for bootay pics. After he quit, I tried to carry on his bootay-questing legacy, but alas, my shoulders were just not broad enough to wear the mantle...


Ok, see, I'm sorry...maybe I'm one of the over-sensitive ones, but the bootay pics was one of the reasons I left for awhile. It was funny at first, but after awhile I kinda felt really marginalized and harassed with request after request after joke after joke. I couldn't even post anything real or serious without someone saying "hey, show us your bootay." One of the things I always liked about it around here is that (having grown up a tomboy) this was a place I could chill and feel like "one of the guys." But the bootay pic stuff made me feel like a piece of meat after awhile, and it really sucked. Especially when someone went into my account even and posted pics under my name as a joke. So I'm sorry it's not as exciting, and maybe it's over-sensitive, but I'm sure as hell glad that shyte finally died.

[Hero1]

yeah well that kind of over sensity is what fucked this place up.. what we said was never taken personally I dont think..and we joked a lot.. maybe other people didnt get it.. but we did :)

[justafan]

yeah well that kind of over sensity is what fucked this place up.. what we said was never taken personally I dont think..and we joked a lot.. maybe other people didnt get it.. but we did :)

Hero, I hear what you are saying, but are you listening to what Mistress was saying? I think that you should have said 'what we said was never SUPPOSED to be taken personally.' Because intention has nothing to do with others perception. If other people get offended at something(which it sounds like mistress was) that you are doing - and you see nothing wrong with it, then there is a problem. I am not placing blame, just stating that a divide is formed when thing like that happen.

I was hear when the sensitivity thing was at its peak - everyone was just freaking out. It was a real crazy time(when elizabeth left). I think that equal doses of sensitivity to other peoples ways and respect for other peoples ways would be the ideal equation. It's a win win - if no one ever feels slighted, taken advantage of, or any of that and also has a laugh at the jokes and gains positive things from this site. I am sure that everyone here is trying to live their lives trying to be good, get good, feel good and live good.

So let's all comprehend our similar and different aspect - feel our common interests together - and focus on making everything that we do a positive thing in our lives. As the Dalai Lama would say - we need to develope compassion for each other.



I have to stop typing now or I am going to blow up. Rarely do I take such a pussee-@zz positive attitude and I don't want you guys to get the wrong idea about me - maybe I will go and write a morbid poem in Musings now - lol

[Hero1]

people need to put things in CONTEXT first.. if you dont know someone, how can you judge their comments...well fuck mistress she's just filler..see yall guys later.. im outta here like Be..

[humanity_Sin_egma]

this too shall pass?
read something like this vibe here:
http://blogs.health.yahoo.com/experts/yogayee/979/going-deeper-to-forgiveness
Basically he says, "In reading some of the comments, I realize that no matter what I say and how I word it there will always be someone that I unintentionally hurt."
Then closes with, "Please forgive me, and I will forgive myself and you,
Rodney Yee"
wtf why not it's not an us versus them thang anyways
it'd be cool to have that sense of humor, but sometimes as a compassionate observer the realization is people are made up of different gifts etc.
chillin' on the ego trippin' thing and understanding others pov sounds about right on both counts
hoping it just slides

[Wheeljak]

Ok, see, I'm sorry...maybe I'm one of the over-sensitive ones, but the bootay pics was one of the reasons I left for awhile. It was funny at first, but after awhile I kinda felt really marginalized and harassed with request after request after joke after joke. I couldn't even post anything real or serious without someone saying "hey, show us your bootay." One of the things I always liked about it around here is that (having grown up a tomboy) this was a place I could chill and feel like "one of the guys." But the bootay pic stuff made me feel like a piece of meat after awhile, and it really sucked. Especially when someone went into my account even and posted pics under my name as a joke. So I'm sorry it's not as exciting, and maybe it's over-sensitive, but I'm sure as hell glad that shyte finally died. That shows a great deal of hypocrisy on your part, M.
Considering that, for as long as I have been reading your posts, you have been the one lambasting other posters and society at large for their archaic, prudish views on sex, you shrink and sputter like a salted snail when someone gives you a good-natured teasing about wanting a peek at your butt? That's bullshit. Now, I grant you, I don't condone someone going into your account (that is a bit much), but other than that, jokes are just jokes.
A web forum populated by adults is going to be full of innuendoes and the like; that's just par for the course. If you don't like the jokes, why don't you show a little chutzpah next time around and tell the joker to shut up, rather than slinking off into the shadows to sulk?

[Mistress M]

Whoa, dude, first of all, you weren't here. You don't know the pm's that went on, and finally I had to bother Hax to get involved when someone went into my account, which was just stupid. Just cause I didn't choose to deal with it publicly doesn't mean I didn't try to deal with it -- not everything needs to be done in front of everyone. And I don't know why Hiero is getting his dander all up over me just saying I was happy that particular shyte died.

There's a difference between good-natured jokes, and when those jokes go on for a couple of months to the point where you can't even post anything real or serious anymore. That doesn't make you feel like family. Put it like this: how about everyone here started making seriously racist jokes. And maybe it's funny at first, and you play along, but then it goes on for a couple of months. And then people start posting "joke" picture threads about lynchings, or other racist material. And then they break into your account and post pics of a black man giving some guy a blowjob and post it under your name saying that was what you were doing last Saturday. And you tell me if that's going to make you feel like hanging around here.

And you missed my point about sexuality. It's about getting rid of the double standard, that when women do the same things men do they're sluts while men are heroes. Those threads were not about going after everyone. No one was demanding that Coz, or Syxx, or Chief, or Hiero, or Hax or any of the guys post their bootay pics. The forum started becoming a "boyz only" club for a little while, and I've noticed that none of the women who used to be regular members are around anymore.

I started coming to this board because there was a good vibe, and I stuck around because there used to be some really amazing discussions with Coz and other people about some really hard-core issues. I used to love getting into it with Coz over history and social issues. And I didn't "slink off to the shadows to sulk" -- I seriously left, with the intention of never coming back. I came back cause after PM Dawn was on "Hit me Baby" I checked out the board and the vibe seemed alright again, so I thought I'd try it out.

We used to have some really cool threads, like the word association threads, and the "finish the story" threads. Syxx used to post some really funny shyte, and Chief and Coz used to get into it which was hilar. And we used to have some really hot debates about social issues and history. So if the only thing you guys found of value around here was the demands for bootay pics, then it doesn't say a hell of a lot for this board.

[Cozmo D]

Hero, I hear what you are saying, but are you listening to what Mistress was saying? I think that you should have said 'what we said was never SUPPOSED to be taken personally.' Because intention has nothing to do with others perception. If other people get offended at something(which it sounds like mistress was) that you are doing - and you see nothing wrong with it, then there is a problem. I am not placing blame, just stating that a divide is formed when thing like that happen.

I was hear when the sensitivity thing was at its peak - everyone was just freaking out. It was a real crazy time(when elizabeth left). I think that equal doses of sensitivity to other peoples ways and respect for other peoples ways would be the ideal equation. It's a win win - if no one ever feels slighted, taken advantage of, or any of that and also has a laugh at the jokes and gains positive things from this site. I am sure that everyone here is trying to live their lives trying to be good, get good, feel good and live good.

So let's all comprehend our similar and different aspect - feel our common interests together - and focus on making everything that we do a positive thing in our lives. As the Dalai Lama would say - we need to develope compassion for each other.



I have to stop typing now or I am going to blow up. Rarely do I take such a pussee-@zz positive attitude and I don't want you guys to get the wrong idea about me - maybe I will go and write a morbid poem in Musings now - lolDidn't you start this thread? So do you like this place "boring", or not? :confused:

[justafan]

No I don't like it boring. I was trying to give a pep talk to everyone with my last response. I knew something was different with you and Hero, I didn't know what it was though. This thread has mentioned at least some of the things going on, the reason things have gone down hill here. Louis doesn't post much around here anymore, syxx is always working, Be is rarely around, Hax doesn't post much, Hero has a bad attitude (not blaming him at all), Chief is MIA... you guys are the forum members that I have known all along that also includes Brian, Chris, Etherspin, SameDeep, SDL, Harm... etc, you know, the people that have been here for over two years, I first met you all when I joined (Oct 2003).

I don't know what I was trying to do totally. It looks pretty grim to me. Way more today than last night. I don't know. But I have also seen it worse around here... I don't know what the future brings.

[Cozmo D]

Those threads were not about going after everyone. No one was demanding that Coz, or Syxx, or Chief, or Hiero, or Hax or any of the guys post their bootay pics. The forum started becoming a "boyz only" club for a little while, and I've noticed that none of the women who used to be regular members are around anymore.
They were jokes, and everybody knew it. It seemed like it was an all boys club because that was basically all that was here. We had Elizabeth, Deity, Lisa, Rumi and you. None of you complained, and you were the only one who left. I said MANY times that I would stop if anyone was offended, and only received encouragement.

And girls DID ask for bootay pix...and RECEIVED THEM, which is more than the guys ever did until recently. Which was always fine with us by the way, the joke was in the asking. Brian 221 even posted a pic of himself bare assed!:p

For those that wanted serious discussions we put in the On-Topic forum and enforced the rules there. Those that lacked a sense of humor like you and Rumi tended to stay in there. I went to war MANY times to keep threads that contained controversial issues in there open.

Every demand for bootay pix was done in fun, and EVERYONE knew it. That's why we called it "bootay" instead of booty. Back then, NOBODY posted them, and NOBODY was hit with any of the things they were threatened with, nor did they expect to be.

Now, to this day I don't know who posted that pic under your user. I don't even think I was a mod or admin yet. I seem to remember though that it was as a joke on Filmwiz, who was harassing the girls for pictures, so somebody posted a pic of a guy in bikini underwear shot from the back using your user. Filmwiz was brand new here at the time, so that whole episode had NOTHING to do with the bootay pix stuff or any boy's club nonsense. Regardless, that whole thing was HILARIOUS! Whoever did it should have asked you beforehand, or asked 1 of the other girls instead, but it was funny just the same. Nothing has been funny around here for a long fukkin time. Now, I'm sure some like it that way, but some of us miss the funny.

As for the other girls not being here anymore, Deity and Rumi still drop in from time to time...life is taking up much of their time. Lisa has life issues as well, but I'm sure she still loves this place and we love her as well. Elizabeth left on some personal shit. Perhaps she would agree with you on much of what you have said. All I know is that she probably did more to kill this place than anybody else.

[Chief]

woahhhh......what the hell????? yall are just a bunch of whinney bitches..:)

notice the smiley after the bitches..that insinuates being sarcastic...a term that not a lot of people catch....this is how you cure that.....reach behind your ear and find that lil nob there....(dont hit the wrong one coz, cuz your belltones volume is there also)..turn it up so your detectors can catch those subtle hints better......



now...as for me..ive been swamped with a shitload of things going on.....car being broke down.....still unpacking from the move to the new house....PTA shit for my sons school.......having to train my new employee.....trying to make my wife understand that i am the alpha male and now that she is mine, she is to do as she is told.......making my youngest understand, that although you see daddy throw the cat, its not right to pick it up and toss it downstairs........dealing with a neurotic family that likes to bitch about everything.....figuring out how i can make it so the neighbors dont get too comfortable with me and send their kids over (i figure to run outside with my wife-beater on, tin foil on my head and screaming "THEY WILL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE!!!!" think that will work????) ..............still trying to make my wife understand that although we are married, i can still hit on her friends(that one goes over welllllll)....dealing with the mother of my children and her jealousy of the amount of time i spend with the kids (its not my fault she works 3rd shift)..................

[Etherspin]

no double standards on here baby .. pervin on guys is more than acceptable and wont have an effect on your rep :)

the only whores on here is post whores and they are much revered

[Etherspin]

woahhhh......what the hell????? yall are just a bunch of whinney bitches..:)

notice the smiley after the bitches..that insinuates being sarcastic...a term that not a lot of people catch....this is how you cure that.....reach behind your ear and find that lil nob there....(dont hit the wrong one coz, cuz your belltones volume is there also)..turn it up so your detectors can catch those subtle hints better......



now...as for me..ive been swamped with a shitload of things going on.....car being broke down.....still unpacking from the move to the new house....PTA shit for my sons school.......having to train my new employee.....trying to make my wife understand that i am the alpha male and now that she is mine, she is to do as she is told.......making my youngest understand, that although you see daddy throw the cat, its not right to pick it up and toss it downstairs........dealing with a neurotic family that likes to bitch about everything.....figuring out how i can make it so the neighbors dont get too comfortable with me and send their kids over (i figure to run outside with my wife-beater on, tin foil on my head and screaming "THEY WILL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE!!!!" think that will work????) ..............still trying to make my wife understand that although we are married, i can still hit on her friends(that one goes over welllllll)....dealing with the mother of my children and her jealousy of the amount of time i spend with the kids (its not my fault she works 3rd shift)..................

you got the hat and the wife beater.. you just need to smear yourself in olive oil then roll in chocolate sprinkles for added effect, ohh and thats a recommendation not a pick up line you sick bastid ;)

[Mistress M]

Coz, not everything is a personal attack on you dude. I'm not naming names or saying someone in particular was bad or whatever, and I know you were awesome on some of those controversial discussion threads we used to have. I don't even give a fuck who posted those pics anymore, I mean really. All I was saying in my original post is that *I* was happy the bootay pic stuff died. That's it. And then y'all, who are accusing *everyone else* of "insensitivity" are now jumping all up and down like I just ripped your spleen out. Like without that thread this board is nothing. The damn shyte died, I was very happy to see it go, there were way better, funnier jokes around here that I miss. That's it, and I'm not going to stay on this b.s. anymore.

[Wheeljak]

woahhhh......what the hell????? yall are just a bunch of whinney bitches..:)
Huzzah!
When all else fails, we know that we can depend on someone to bring the funny....:D

And I didn't think the smiley was necessary, Chief. "If they can't take a joke..." well, you know the rest.

[pmFan]

woahhhh......what the hell????? yall are just a bunch of whinney bitches..:)BAAAHHH!!!! You're cracking me up!


(dont hit the wrong one coz, cuz your belltones volume is there also) DOH!!!


now...as for me..ive been swamped with a shitload of things going on.....trying to make my wife understand that i am the alpha male and now that she is mine, she is to do as she is told.......still trying to make my wife understand that although we are married, i can still hit on her friends(that one goes over welllllll)....dealing with the mother of my children and her jealousy of the amount of time i spend with the kids (its not my fault she works 3rd shift).................. HA Ha HA HA!!! Now you've got me laughing out loud!!!!

Sorry - no real content, just laughing - keep in mind, as I read things, I imagine what you might look like, what you might sound like, etc. And when you tell a story, I tend to visualize it happening. Overactive mind, I guess! Anyway, I could practically see all that stuff happening and I am cracking up!

Now I am off to tell *my* wife that she is to do as *she* is told... wish me luck!

[pmFan]

What would really spice this place up would be something from Be and JC - artistically. Maybe a posting of unpublished songs. Lost recordings. Unpublished poetry. "underground" release of recently halted releases. A small "gathering" / private group concert. A Be and/or JC Bio. Open ASK BE back up and actuallly answer posts regarding the profession / craft / artistry (answered by Be or JC).

Yeah, I'm new here. But I have been a fan for a long time. My first and *only* fan letter ever written was a letter to PM Dawn a little while after their first LP hit the US. I never heard back, so I quit looking for any communication medium and was content to collect their works and listen to it liberally. It made me feel good to listen to the music.

I was pulling out my favorite 2 PM Dawn CDs for a long drive when I decided to search for PM Dawn fan sites. I forgot they were in that TV show. So I signed up a few days after the show.

What was I hoping for here? Good, fun fellowship in general. But specifically, more info about the band. Things I did not know about. Leads on new music by Be and JC. Other projects they may be working on. If they were active, I wanted to see if I would be able to see/meet them. I was really hopeful about their activity after they were on Hit Me Baby, but it doesn't seem to have done anything for their careers as musical artists from what I have seen.

Has Be stopped posting? I would love to ask him things about some of the song lyrics, music, etc...

Anyway, I guess what I am saying is this: As a fan site, it needs more band. Kind of odd, isn't it. I am sure there are lots of Band sites out there with no fans. This seems to have become a fan site for an underactive band.

[SaintHax]

I gave up a long time ago...it's not fun seeing something you built from the ground up fall apart like it has. This place was my time consuming creation to fill some free time that opened up in my life...although she was still very much on my mind...

I started this place with the intention to bring fans together in a better group environment, seems like it had a nice uphill climb for awhile then everything started falling apart. From my point of view there wasn't much that could be done to "save" it, when you have a random group of people it either works or doesn't.

Things were great for awhile, the late night chats going on for hours and hours about random stuff, crazy posts like the “to all vegans”, etc… Everyone had their ups and downs in life, I’m finally starting to get back to where I want to be myself. It’s all just been one big story that everyone here has been a part of and contributed to.

Although he already pointed out the parting ways I appreciated Coz's endless advice and it always helped for him to shine a flashlight through the fog when everyone else was giving me the "do what you think is best" line...it's kinda hard to know "what's best" when you're feeling your way around in the dark.

You step on someone toes, and as soon as you step off you find yourself on someone else's toes. You can't make everyone happy, it just doesn't work...with some people you can't even reason with them. There's been many times I've hated being the admin/owner of this place, for some reason that seems to make you an automatic suspect for some things that go on. So now I just lurk around in the background attempting to nurture it along the best I can till it fades away.

You guys donated money to keep this place going at one time so when I got back on top of things it only felt right to pump more of my own money into it to return the favor. I'm still trying to keep this place going behind the scenes...I'm installing the newer version of the chatroom software, so it will be back soon, new photo album software, and new online file storage...I've done just about everything I can think of, but there is only so much you can do with nothing. :(

[Cozmo D]

Coz, not everything is a personal attack on you dude. I'm not naming names or saying someone in particular was bad or whatever, and I know you were awesome on some of those controversial discussion threads we used to have. I don't even give a fuck who posted those pics anymore, I mean really. All I was saying in my original post is that *I* was happy the bootay pic stuff died. That's it. And then y'all, who are accusing *everyone else* of "insensitivity" are now jumping all up and down like I just ripped your spleen out. Like without that thread this board is nothing. The damn shyte died, I was very happy to see it go, there were way better, funnier jokes around here that I miss. That's it, and I'm not going to stay on this b.s. anymore.
I didn't think it was a personal attack on me, I was simply correcting and clarifying your mistaken impressions and recollections. Could be you are making the mistake that many have made around here before by interpreting emotion from the written word. Here's a clue... if you are reading a post that does not literally express an emotion and are gathering an emotion from it anyway, the emotion is YOURS, not the author's. That is what has caused the most problems around here. I myself fell victim to it in the height of all of the turmoil when Hero called me condescending and I took offense from it. Imagine me getting offended by anything that Hero has to say. Next thing you know I'll be thinking that Chief is a racist. Since that mistake I have taken great pains not to assume ANY emotion from ANY posts unless they are literally expressed. I suggest that we ALL try to follow that rule. :)

BTW, I was sad to see you go, I am glad that you are back. I and others had no clue why you disappeared until this thread. :)

The bootay stuff didn't die, I just haven't given enough of a damm to continue with it. Perhaps this thread was what was needed to re-light a spark around here, it surely seems to have made people long for one. Maybe a bootay call is exactly what this place needs! :p

[Cozmo D]

What would really spice this place up would be something from Be and JC - artistically. Maybe a posting of unpublished songs. Lost recordings. Unpublished poetry. "underground" release of recently halted releases. A small "gathering" / private group concert. A Be and/or JC Bio. Open ASK BE back up and actuallly answer posts regarding the profession / craft / artistry (answered by Be or JC).

Yeah, I'm new here. But I have been a fan for a long time. My first and *only* fan letter ever written was a letter to PM Dawn a little while after their first LP hit the US. I never heard back, so I quit looking for any communication medium and was content to collect their works and listen to it liberally. It made me feel good to listen to the music.

I was pulling out my favorite 2 PM Dawn CDs for a long drive when I decided to search for PM Dawn fan sites. I forgot they were in that TV show. So I signed up a few days after the show.

What was I hoping for here? Good, fun fellowship in general. But specifically, more info about the band. Things I did not know about. Leads on new music by Be and JC. Other projects they may be working on. If they were active, I wanted to see if I would be able to see/meet them. I was really hopeful about their activity after they were on Hit Me Baby, but it doesn't seem to have done anything for their careers as musical artists from what I have seen.

Has Be stopped posting? I would love to ask him things about some of the song lyrics, music, etc...

Anyway, I guess what I am saying is this: As a fan site, it needs more band. Kind of odd, isn't it. I am sure there are lots of Band sites out there with no fans. This seems to have become a fan site for an underactive band.
Sorry man, but in case you didn't know, Be is dealing with a heavy dose of life at the moment. I'm sure he'll come through if and when he is able. ;)

[Is*it*my*turn]

So me being a new member, when I was asked for a bootay pic, I decided to show a few people. When it was posted, it freaked me out , so I ran to Big Daddy Hax. Had I known at that time the humor, feeling of the group, I wouldn't have done so. And I apologize Coz, for causing the kicker for you.


And you boys should know, She will never learn that it is her job to listen to what you say. ;)

[Hero1]

Hey Coz I've been thinking.. what many seemed to be missing is what went on in those chats... see there were many lurkers on this board.. but those chats we had which must have been for hours.. we built up a lot of good friendships trust and jokes!!! so when I called you condesceding I was just running that same old in joke..which was my bread n butter chief-redneck atma-meaning of lyrics frek-fucks dead people yadda yadda.. and I tell you the bootay pics thing was one of the funniest running jokes we had.. and if you were in the chats with deity you would know exactly where we were coming from.. this was hours of shit..about deity recording with coz..coz being a dirty old man..coz wanting bootay pics.. he didnt actually want to see bootay pics of any1.. IT WAS A FUCKIN JOKE! now back to this elizabeth shit.. what i found unbelievable was these comments that Hax hated women or sumthing.. its like how can you judge jason like that.. when you've known him for all these years..know some of his story..and how he feels.. and then i realise..maybe people didnt know..they missed those chats right..or they didnt bother to talk to him.. hes one of the nicest guys around... lets face it if you dont like my attitude at the moment..maybe its cause you dont really know me at this point.. but these people.. frek coz chief hax be yadda yadda.. thats a fuckin family ..its a ridiculously weird family..but its a family.. and you know everyone is different..and we may not all be here all the time anymore.. but when people get upset over some old school shit that me or coz or chief are up to.. you know its not that fun and theres not much joy in comin round here anymore.. aite.. peace

[Etherspin]

tru dat!

[Cozmo D]

So me being a new member, when I was asked for a bootay pic, I decided to show a few people. When it was posted, it freaked me out , so I ran to Big Daddy Hax. Had I known at that time the humor, feeling of the group, I wouldn't have done so. And I apologize Coz, for causing the kicker for you.


And you boys should know, She will never learn that it is her job to listen to what you say. ;)
No, don't misunderstand me Becca, you didn't cause anything. You had every right to ask that your picture not be posted. We're shocked every time somebody actually posts those damm things and tend to get carried away, so you being a new member and getting a bit freaked out is understandable.

What upset me was not anything that you did, but Hax threatening us for doing it. There are PMs and a admin only forum where he could have simply said something to us about it, and of course we would have stopped. Instead he threatened Chief and I out in the open, I guess to assert his authority. I am not a person who issues threats lightly, and don't take kindly to receiving them either. To receive them from a friend who I have gone to war for on more than 1 occasion really threw me for a loop.

[Cozmo D]

Hey Coz I've been thinking.. what many seemed to be missing is what went on in those chats... see there were many lurkers on this board.. but those chats we had which must have been for hours.. we built up a lot of good friendships trust and jokes!!! so when I called you condesceding I was just running that same old in joke..which was my bread n butter chief-redneck atma-meaning of lyrics frek-fucks dead people yadda yadda.. and I tell you the bootay pics thing was one of the funniest running jokes we had.. and if you were in the chats with deity you would know exactly where we were coming from.. this was hours of shit..about deity recording with coz..coz being a dirty old man..coz wanting bootay pics.. he didnt actually want to see bootay pics of any1.. IT WAS A FUCKIN JOKE! now back to this elizabeth shit.. what i found unbelievable was these comments that Hax hated women or sumthing.. its like how can you judge jason like that.. when you've known him for all these years..know some of his story..and how he feels.. and then i realise..maybe people didnt know..they missed those chats right..or they didnt bother to talk to him.. hes one of the nicest guys around... lets face it if you dont like my attitude at the moment..maybe its cause you dont really know me at this point.. but these people.. frek coz chief hax be yadda yadda.. thats a fuckin family ..its a ridiculously weird family..but its a family.. and you know everyone is different..and we may not all be here all the time anymore.. but when people get upset over some old school shit that me or coz or chief are up to.. you know its not that fun and theres not much joy in comin round here anymore.. aite.. peace
Yep, you're right. It was those chats more than anything that formed the original friendships and atmosphere around here.

[SaintHax]

No, don't misunderstand me Becca, you didn't cause anything. You had every right to ask that your picture not be posted. We're shocked every time somebody actually posts those damm things and tend to get carried away, so you being a new member and getting a bit freaked out is understandable.

What upset me was not anything that you did, but Hax threatening us for doing it. There are PMs and a admin only forum where he could have simply said something to us about it, and of course we would have stopped. Instead he threatened Chief and I out in the open, I guess to assert his authority. I am not a person who issues threats lightly, and don't take kindly to receiving them either. To receive them from a friend who I have gone to war for on more than 1 occasion really threw me for a loop.


Here is an example of the toe steping right now...when this took place I was either going piss off one or the other...Becca for not doing anything about it when I sat and watched it go on, or Coz and Chief for doing it and "spoiling the fun". So based on her being new and figuring that the other guys would get the point better since after all they've been admins for about as long as this forum has been around...so someone was going to get pissed off...and you guessed it...it's my fault. Chief as usual didn't really give a shit and stopped, and Coz seems to have took it way more personaly than I meant it...so there's a perfect example of how this place falls apart piece by piece.

[Cozmo D]

PM...post in mod only forum...e-mail..."Yo Coz, Becca is a bit upset about that pic"... no more pic and not a thing for anyone to be pissed about. It's called common courtesy. To publicly threaten me on the other hand...

If it wasn't that I was genuinely concerned about Becca's feelings I would have posted it again, just to see if you would have banned me or blocked my IP. The threat certainly implied it. Imagine that, after all of that support and friendship and advice and yaddayaddayadda...

And don't just assume that Chief isn't pissed about things just because he never says anything, he's just a chickenshit. :D

[SaintHax]

You still have full admin rights to the forum and you have the nerve to say I'd ban you, and even instigate it to see? And yeah I had a few words with Chief about it not even 20 mins ago...we fail to see the bigger issue about it…if I felt it was some God awful event then yeah I probably would have kept it private till there was some form of resolution, but it didn’t really seem like that big of a deal, it just needed to stop ASAP.

I would PM you to explain why I jumped on that issue with a far amount of intensity but the way you’re talking I’d doubt you’d even give a shit. Maybe I will, you’re the one who was always ahead of the problems on here and rushing into a resolution so fuck it I will PM you.

[Mistress M]

Hey Coz I've been thinking.. what many seemed to be missing is what went on in those chats... see there were many lurkers on this board.. but those chats we had which must have been for hours.. we built up a lot of good friendships trust and jokes!!! so when I called you condesceding I was just running that same old in joke..which was my bread n butter chief-redneck atma-meaning of lyrics frek-fucks dead people yadda yadda.. and I tell you the bootay pics thing was one of the funniest running jokes we had.. and if you were in the chats with deity you would know exactly where we were coming from.. this was hours of shit..about deity recording with coz..coz being a dirty old man..coz wanting bootay pics.. he didnt actually want to see bootay pics of any1.. IT WAS A FUCKIN JOKE! now back to this elizabeth shit.. what i found unbelievable was these comments that Hax hated women or sumthing.. its like how can you judge jason like that.. when you've known him for all these years..know some of his story..and how he feels.. and then i realise..maybe people didnt know..they missed those chats right..or they didnt bother to talk to him.. hes one of the nicest guys around...

Hero, that's an excellent point. I was hardly ever in the chats with Deity, so I wasn't really in on the joke, so to me it came out of left field. But some of the jokes were really funny if you had been on a chat, and prolly made no sense to anyone else if they hadn't been there. But that's just a really good point.

[Cozmo D]

You still have full admin rights to the forum and you have the nerve to say I'd ban you, and even instigate it to see?

I would PM you to explain why I jumped on that issue with a far amount of intensity but the way you’re talking I’d doubt you’d even give a shit. Maybe I will, you’re the one who was always ahead of the problems on here and rushing into a resolution so fuck it I will PM you.
I didn't instigate it then and I'm not trying to do it now, just expressing my honest thoughts and feelings on the matter.

A friend ALWAYS deserves the benefit of a doubt, thanx for the PM.:)

[pmFan]

And you boys should know, She will never learn that it is her job to listen to what you say. ;) HA! I told my wife about the post and she laughed! We've always been a true partnership, so we can joke about those things!:p

[Harmeister]

hi,

My name is Dean.

And I lurk and make completely random posts.

[The_Kay_Dee]

It has been so down here because I haven't been here to spread my wonderful personality like big yellow drops of happy rain from a bright green ecstasy cloud!!!
(that should start some good convo...)

[Etherspin]

ahhh so thats how you explain it.. the yellow rain was you spreading your personality :) arg

[Wheeljak]

It has been so down here because I haven't been here to spread my wonderful personality like big yellow drops of happy rain from a bright green ecstasy cloud!!!
(that should start some good convo...)

Sounds to me like you're wringing out your gall bladder.:confused:

[humanity_Sin_egma]

sounds like rainbow colored skittles
*throwing the green ones at Kay Dee
dang missed