I can't make up stories stanger than this...

[Harmeister]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080926/ap_on_fe_st/odd_breast_milk_ice_cream;_ylt=Am0CnVyuF14Xy2NYgJF 9Vp8DW7oF

[wendyful04]

oh crap

[Mistress M]

Huh.

[Wheeljak]

Sounds much more like a publicity stunt than an earnest effort.
Sometimes, I think that the goal of PETA is not to promote "animal rights," but simply to keep the PETA name in the newspapers, and thus to guarantee the continued paychecks for the organization's officers.

[Etherspin]

peta are loony and you're absolutely right, its just to generate publicity and keep the ball rolling so to speak.

on the other hand.. human milk for humans makes more sense than from cows...
my physiotherapist nearly lost his mother to cancer cause a hormone used to promote increased lactation in cows apparently isnt inert when passed onto menopausal women, it promotes abnormal cell growth in human breast tissue ...
not to mention the link between casein protein and cancer , or the guarantee of cholesterol increase ..

over here we have some much more sane organisations, i dont think peta have a branch thank goodness !!

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/dairy.php

THOSE are my reasons for using other milks.. not breast milk though!!

[Etherspin]

also - the yahoo version of the article omits that the PETA letter was spawned by this idea that is already taking place in Europe ... consentual breast milk instead of dairy cows ... soups and sauces http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2976181/Swiss-restaurant-to-serve-meals-cooked-with-human-breast-milk.html

[Harmeister]

Ether is just looking for more breasts.

[Wheeljak]

Ether is just looking for more breasts.
No, just the breast milk of Cambodian immigrants.

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"Breeeeeast miiiiiillllk.... you made my dayyyyyyayyyyyyyyyy!"

[ElizabethX]

When you think about it, it IS absurd that we consume milk of another species.

[Wheeljak]

When you think about it, it IS absurd that we consume milk of another species.

Is it any more absurd that consuming bee vomit?

[Etherspin]

the bees are less biologically compatible and the honey has a less complex construction..so hopefully its safer than milk BUT
I use agave nectar and rice syrup instead anyways..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agave_syrup
http://www.ricesyrup.com/
both have less of an acidic taste and agave has a nice buttery flavour as well..

[Mistress M]

agave nectar is also the only natural sweetner approved for use by diabetics becuse it has a low glycemic index.

[Twisted.Mellow]

agaves have feelings too...

[Etherspin]

Agaves should be sent back to Mexico !!

[ElizabethX]

Is it any more absurd that consuming bee vomit?

Maybe. Maybe not. It may be regurgitation from the bees (?), but isn't it also their food source (and derived from nectar)? This would seem a little less weird than consuming some kind of bodily fluid of theirs intended for the intimate task of nursing their young...

[ChrisLDog]

the bees are less biologically compatible and the honey has a less complex construction..so hopefully its safer than milk BUT
I use agave nectar and rice syrup instead anyways..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agave_syrup
http://www.ricesyrup.com/
both have less of an acidic taste and agave has a nice buttery flavour as well..

I use agave too. It's great in tea!

[Wheeljak]

Another wonderful thing about honey... mead! Tasty!

[Wheeljak]

I use agave too. It's great in tea!

I use agave, too. It's great with a lick of salt and a wedge of lime.

[xtristessax]

i've always felt weird about eating chicken eggs... it just seem so strange. i have pet birds, maybe that's why.

[Harmeister]

mmmmmmmmmmm..... eggs......

[xtristessax]

i also live near a Tyson processing plant. certainly makes you think about chickens differently.

[Etherspin]

what kind of processing exactly?
and yeah, eating a chicken period makes less sense than eating leftover human placenta which is actually designed for humaaanz!

[ElizabethX]

Very interesting, Tim.

[Harmeister]

you know, honestly, reading *that* made me want to hurl. seriously.

I eat chicken. I eat beef. I eat my veggies too. Why does eating another animal not make sense? Why do bears eat fish? Why do eagles eat mice? It's the natural order of things, that's why.

But I am not a cannibal.

[Etherspin]

line in the sand..

one is designed for you, one was warped into creation by 8000 years of imbreeding a bird that used to enjoy life in a the treetops of jungles.
we could do the same with human females - this would also be a horrendous scenario.
yes animals eat each other,are you demanding human level morals of them ? dogs roll in s***, eat their own vomit...
most of the animals we eat arent from the category of animals who eat animals, you probably eat 90% peacenik herbivores!!

yes its disgusting when you are being objective, it all is..

"*that* " was only disgusting because it wasnt commonplace and fed to you since you were an infant..

[ElizabethX]

Yeah, you'd feel differently if it were a regular item on your dining room table. What we eat is all out of habit and tradition.

[Harmeister]

I didn't say breast milk was disgusting. I just originally said it was a weird story. I find breast milk to be rather sweet, much sweeter than cows milk. Would I drink it, probably not, but I don't drink cow's milk either because I'm not that fond of milk in general.

Hey, if someone shoves a boob in my face and tells me to suck it, who am I to stop them? (Unless it was my wife, I can hope that I would restrain myself and not give it a suck. I'd appreciate the gesture, but you get my point I hope)

[ElizabethX]

I'm a little confused. Did you just say you would suck on the breast of another woman, but not your wife?

[wendyful04]

Technically, he did write that.
HIV and other diseases are passed through breast milk, so no putting strange titties in your mouth please! You never know who's an Undercover Lactator.

[Harmeister]

If it came out that way it was not intended. I intended to make it say the other way, that unless it was my wife I would restrain myself. Stupid parentheses.

[Wheeljak]

Technically, he did write that.
HIV and other diseases are passed through breast milk, so no putting strange titties in your mouth please! You never know who's an Undercover Lactator.

There's always someone to rain on the parade.
With talk like this, how am I ever gonna get my dipped cone at Dareola Queen?

[wendyful04]

killed
dead

[Wheeljak]

killed
dead

You did it.

[wendyful04]

Yes, you did it.
I confirmed it.
Now come over my house and I'll bake you some muffins.

[Wheeljak]

Yes, you did it.
I confirmed it.
Now come over my house and I'll bake you some muffins.

No, because I suspect a trap.

[Harmeister]

It's because she's an Undercover Lactator isn't it.

go on, you can admit it. You're afraid of wendy's breastmilk.

[wendyful04]

Why do tribes hunt and fish?

[Etherspin]

because they are hungry ? because they dont have dietitians ?

[Harmeister]

because they're afraid of wendy's breasts.

[wendyful04]

Why would people who live off the land and honor/pay attention to their own bodies need dieticians?

My breasts are luscious.

[Mistress M]

Those same tribal people you're talking about who "hunt and fish" also have parasites from the fish and meat they eat.

If we want to talk about "natural man", let's talk about early human cannibalism. Genetic markers found all over the world show that we developed a gene early on to protect us from brain diseases caused by eating human flesh. Evidence from pre-historic human skeletons indicate that we would even crack the bones of the dead to suck out the marrow. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0410_030410_cannibal.html)

[ElizabethX]

Why do tribes hunt and fish?

Because it's what they've been doing for thousands of years.

Yeah to what Mistress said. You know, there is plenty about the tribal or more natural peoples that we wouldn't condone, diet and all. We bring up hunting and fishing because it is one thing that still remains a connection from them to us while ignoring the other aspects of "civilized" "evolution" we have undergone and enjoyed in our histories and present which SURELY separate us. For this one connection, hunting and fishing seems pure, but does it's continued tie just up into today MAKE it pure? How many of us championing the virtues of hunting and fishing are purists, or even naturalists ourselves? I am not calling to question any tribe to tell the tribe how wrong they are. All I know is my own evolution has brought me here. :confused: In diet and lifestyle it is hard to compare any of us to tribes...

[wendyful04]

I've been eating less and less actual meat lately.
Tonight, I had pasta topped with diced tomatoes, slices of jalapeno, chunks of garlic and minced cilantro, all sauteed in water with a dab of butter. Yummy dinner. Didn't weigh me down at all, even though I ate two bowls.

Honestly, I can't make myself believe that one way of eating -as far as the vegan/non-vegan debate goes - is any better than the other. I know overweight, psychotic, sickly vegans. I know overweight, psychotic, sickly non-vegans.

All I know is that the people around me who try to eat as healthy as they possibly can and exercise frequently and have an upbeat attitude seem to be the most beautiful and most healthy of all.

[ElizabethX]

True enough... but to me, the vegan/vegetarian thing was never really about health.

[Etherspin]

Nope - for health reasons people might adopt a "strict vegetarian" diet , no animal products in your food, but they wont actually go vegan which is the omission of animal products from all possible facets of your consumption , e.g. a strict vegetarian might still wear a wool jumper..
first and foremost its about ethics and recognising the connection and similarities between humans and all sentient beings - the environmental and health implications of a well executed vegie diet are just compelling side effects

:D